The problem actually is this. If a stealther with viper3 give you a pa you take 150x6+pa dmg = 900+700 = need to give just 1 hit more than pa to kill a heavy tank, if the tank purge you can use the second weapon with dot poison. To casters is enough to give 1 unstyled hit to kill them.

On live you got buffs+cl+overcap like razzer said viper isn't so terrible.

Demiurgo pls dont say wrong things ... IF you specc Envenom and Viper3..you have bad melee dmg and a PA does maybe 500+ dmg on a tank (without crit) ... other point is that you must stealth for pa/bs2 and also you need the right position .. so pa/bs2 isn´t easy to prepare all the time .. i can also QQ about flurry (instant dmg ~15% of hp and all 2 mins useable). But this class was created so and you´re 4lx ... should it be a wonder that a 6l9 stealther kills you when you ran solo? Also you killed me some times with using ST ... Why not nerving ST,IP ..also baaad ras

And there are not running fgs of viper 3 stealther

Now to OF RAs:

Let me see pls a whole list with abilities and which class can use it ... before we cant see ALL and Staff dont react in a positve way..there shouldn´t be a voting

BTW there are also a lot of things left on To-Do-List -.- Why create a new useless topic ...when a other system works fine atm

P.S.: Live is dead ,Uth lives ;P

Here is a complete RA calculator for the old RA system:

http://camelot.scott-usa.com/RealmAbilities.aspx

thanks

@ rent: Simply mythic said that stealthers shouldn't kill so easly tanks without using critical strikes, I can kill you using 2 active ra IF I avoid critial strike and your evade stun, if you can stun me even for 5 sec I die even if I use my 2 active ra. Also, no assassin made me less than 600dmg of pa till I'm 50 and I have capped thrust and chain armor. You are rr 6l9 and im 4l5, I'm 2 rr lower it's not all that difference.
Now go back to the topic, viper won't be changed becuase it's so on live on 1.80 I guess

We could try to put old realm abilities, it could increase the total population in the server and expecially the rvr population with all those nostalgic players and people who want to try the old ra.

Old RA System would be a step back for Uthgard. Stay at the good RA System we have and use your power for usefull stuff like buggy things.

59 realm ability points and 35 are the same ?

The problem actually is this. If a stealther with viper3 give you a pa you take 150x6+pa dmg = 900+700 = need to give just 1 hit more than pa to kill a heavy tank, if the tank purge you can use the second weapon with dot poison. To casters is enough to give 1 unstyled hit to kill them.

rofl
rofl
and
viper3=30 realmskillpoints=ip3=80% health reg, used by a thane with st/con selfbuff = dunno 1000-1400 hp ?? and now what about viper3 poison dealing 900dmg (if you have no resists, else less for sure...)
thats like comparing apples with melons.....

Simply mythic said that stealthers shouldn't kill so easly tanks without using critical strikes, I can kill you using 2 active ra IF I avoid critial strike and your evade stun, if you can stun me even for 5 sec I die even if I use my 2 active ra. Also, no assassin made me less than 600dmg of pa till I'm 50 and I have capped thrust and chain armor. You are rr 6l9 and im 4l5, I'm 2 rr lower it's not all that difference.

rofl..
QQ threads we had too much, just because some steathers are able kill tanks still doesnt mean they re somewhat op or stuff....
btw. your pretty mid chain armor provides some nice dmg bonus to a ns using piercing weapons...but you surely know that

@ renti
shame on you if you really lose to demiurgo ^^ i hope hes just dreaming...(besides a thane dealing imba nuke dmg on this server almost like a caster, has to whine bout a stealther is really funny...)

and talking bout use of 2 active ras while a stealther has almost only passive ras working for him is really funny...

but ontopic:

old ras sure would be nice, cause they make the game more rpg like, as it was in former times, with every realm having its own ras and not that crappy allforall mode, but i think it wil be impossible to implement and the staff has enough to deal with current bugs/fixes...so leave it as it is and better work on the rvr environment, cause actually it sux (250 players with 1-8 in rvr )

old ras sure would be nice, cause they make the game more rpg like, as it was in former times, with every realm having its own ras and not that crappy allforall mode

yeah maybe that's the reason why we shouldn't use old RAs. some people joined a realm, played a char cause he planed to play on one way.

if you change everything maybe some people wouldn't play them char anymore. for exemple (i have not checked on old RAs) if you get a reaver without TWF... that will be totaly different. if you play a fighter cause he has charge and you can't no more use it, maybe would you prefere another class, etc...

@Panach
Why should someone ONLY pick a dual wield class for charge? And thats one the imbalances right now.

The off tank needs 1L5 and the most of the casters will have often no chance.. Only if the see him on max range and make good damage.
Old determination is stronger than the actual one, so no need for charge.

And reaver without TWF is unique too. Only Valewalker has such great styleprocs too.
I hate that use of twf like it is now. Wow, lets farm some albs on the stairs...

let's go back to tetris, i play cubes u play L's. i think will be balanced

pacman ;P

why not play chess..so it depends on real skill.