relvinian wrote:if you make an online gaming server not for the players but to demonstrate your technical skill or to realize some abstract ideal and also don't care if your players are happy or if they get bored or whatever...

Neuro wrote:The issue with Uthard is that the GMs never learn from their past mistakes. In the past, there was a highly notorious [real or not] disrespect for the players. When Origins/Genesis opened, everybody flocked there because of the way the GMs treated players here. We know that you guys, as GMs, love DAOC as much as we do, but there was a palpable contentious attitude from GMs towards players (sarcastic scolding from Abydos, GMs disregarding our wishes for the direction of the server that WE as a player base helped build, etc.). And now, we have come full circle. With CU, Lethantis, and Vivien preparing to launch soon, Uthgard is still down and the GMs refuse to listen to their players once more, perpetuating the attitudes that caused Uthgard to shut down in the first place. So my question is: will you continue to blindly follow these GMs as they do nothing to alter history, and offer at-the-moment false promises of this majestical new server with implementations that have been not even remotely discussed, or do we as a community of players--the SAME community that saw 1500 players on Genesis @ launch despite it being the ****** server EVER--move our support to a different project that promises to listen to us and offer us a level of transparency that justifies our monthly donations and time spent crawling through archives to help the team?

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Everybody check out the server Lethantis! Nice looking server with a heck of a team over there coding it.

Jerrian wrote:Hi,
I ´ve to defend the staff in this situation, the communication got much better during the last months, well it ´s not a developers diary but I ´m ok with these grab bags and Abydos told us it should be done in this year, so the soonest release of beta might be in autumn probably, because of the summer hole there won ´t be much work done in this period.
That ´s time calculation of Abydos is something we can work with, I ´m personally not unhappy when beta is released in autum and Uthgard in winter, much time to play then because of the bad weather.

About the donations , staff never asked for it or made any promises, it ´s cool some ppl doing still donations, I´ll wait for it when the server is back again to save myself from frustration about the long time of waiting until I can play again. The proble is when I ´m paying money for something I want something back and I see these donations more as a payment for service, so the service is not available for me at the moment so I save my money until it is before I ´m getting upset.

@ Trish
I made already a list of the open points for grab bags at side 13, I think I got them all to save you some work.

best regards
Megrim

Love me Babby wrote:

Neuro wrote:The issue with Uthard is that the GMs never learn from their past mistakes. In the past, there was a highly notorious [real or not] disrespect for the players. When Origins/Genesis opened, everybody flocked there because of the way the GMs treated players here. We know that you guys, as GMs, love DAOC as much as we do, but there was a palpable contentious attitude from GMs towards players (sarcastic scolding from Abydos, GMs disregarding our wishes for the direction of the server that WE as a player base helped build, etc.). And now, we have come full circle. With CU, Lethantis, and Vivien preparing to launch soon, Uthgard is still down and the GMs refuse to listen to their players once more, perpetuating the attitudes that caused Uthgard to shut down in the first place. So my question is: will you continue to blindly follow these GMs as they do nothing to alter history, and offer at-the-moment false promises of this majestical new server with implementations that have been not even remotely discussed, or do we as a community of players--the SAME community that saw 1500 players on Genesis @ launch despite it being the ****** server EVER--move our support to a different project that promises to listen to us and offer us a level of transparency that justifies our monthly donations and time spent crawling through archives to help the team?

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Everybody check out the server Lethantis! Nice looking server with a heck of a team over there coding it.

I just made an account on Lethantis. They have barrels.. and the Gm was willing to actually sit down and personally answer a few questions I had lol. I was baffled. But devout now as well.

shurick wrote:I like everything about Uthgard. The patch level setting, the work devs put in trying to replicate the live server to the smallest detail. Only thing i dont like is the lack of transparency and communication. I cant figure out what the problem is tho? Its understandable that devs working on this on their free time, but it makes you wonder why would someone take on this challenge when they clearly dont have enough time in their busy lives to rebuild and bring back the server online in a reasonable time frame. Original estimation at the time of shutdown was 3 month of downtime, so how did this grow to a year and a half with no ETA in sight? It just serms that it isnt a priority to get completed either due to the lack of enthusiasm or other priorities.

cammes wrote:Guys why you flame here ????
Uthgard/staff spend his time for get the server back as to poste here code xxxxxxx is now rdy or on work ?
the most of you guys dont know how long time you need to test any small thing ,then collect information of it , and code them .
alone for the defenspenedration we had need test 3,5 month for collect the infos then 2 weeks get information of there and then takes a formula from it and dont know how long time the developer team need to implemending it and this was only one little thing of the big mountain of work .....
so dont write here any stupid things like it takes to long time ......

Abydos wrote:

Jerrian wrote:Hi,
I ´ve to defend the staff in this situation, the communication got much better during the last months, well it ´s not a developers diary but I ´m ok with these grab bags and Abydos told us it should be done in this year, so the soonest release of beta might be in autumn probably, because of the summer hole there won ´t be much work done in this period.
That ´s time calculation of Abydos is something we can work with, I ´m personally not unhappy when beta is released in autum and Uthgard in winter, much time to play then because of the bad weather.

About the donations , staff never asked for it or made any promises, it ´s cool some ppl doing still donations, I´ll wait for it when the server is back again to save myself from frustration about the long time of waiting until I can play again. The proble is when I ´m paying money for something I want something back and I see these donations more as a payment for service, so the service is not available for me at the moment so I save my money until it is before I ´m getting upset.

@ Trish
I made already a list of the open points for grab bags at side 13, I think I got them all to save you some work.

best regards
Megrim

I want to clarify I didn't specify that - I gave two arbitrary time references. But people got upset the last time I said "infinity", so I picked something closer.

relvinian wrote:I wasn't a wiz at math, someone tell me, what is half of infinity?