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Revamp: Update

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Celteen Alerion Knight Posts: 2326 Joined: Dec 20, 2010 16:52	by Celteen » Feb 06, 2014 16:20 Blue wrote: Isavyr wrote: Blue wrote:I can tell you, Uth had a bug in XP dealing which made it harder than live. All will be fixed on relaunch. Having leveled several chars in classic to 50, I call BS on this. Uthgard felt pretty live-like. Do you have proof of such a charge? It sounds like an excuse to make the server have faster XP, because Uthgard only follows live-like (allegedly). Let me tell you that I as developer can see how my code works and how it was intended to be. And no, it did not work as intended. The XP calculation for large level differences in groups had a mistake in the formula. That implementation was made like 10 years ago and wasn't touched since then. I have to admit that it wasn't tested properly. There were some more problems with the XP formula but they should be gone on relaunch. Not like we told you millions of times <<< This avatar is handmade by Inotor Wurzelbert : ) Check out the Mampfer-Threads for more. viewtopic.php?f=10&t=25079 viewtopic.php?f=10&t=26934

Liberator Guardian Posts: 2 Joined: Sep 06, 2011 14:46	by Liberator » Feb 06, 2014 16:36 I really admire your good work Uthgard Staff ! Will there be any changes about the races ? For a real classic feeling, there shouldn't be Shars, Half-Ogres or Frostalfs ! I hope they will not be choosable in the charakter creation. Can't wait to see the first level 40's roaming at AMG in dropgear

Grendle Myrmidon Posts: 70 Joined: Mar 02, 2010 01:00	by Grendle » Feb 06, 2014 16:37 Blue can you explain how getting Experience is going to after the revamp? Will it be harder, easier? How will group xp be effected, I know a lot of people are going to compare it to origins and com plain and what not, but any insight would be appreciated thanks. PS I thought leveling on uthgard was fine, I was able to level just about any char in under a week.

Nayru Developer Posts: 8834 Joined: Jan 08, 2007 01:00	by Nayru » Feb 06, 2014 16:40 Celteen wrote:Not like we told you millions of times I have to aid to Blue's defense here. It is difficult to differentiate between requests for faster experience gain and actual bug reports. I wasn't aware of this bug either and I have played a lot on this server. Experience gain will not be harder after relaunch. Afterall I would say it will be a little bit faster due to some bugfixes Blue mentioned earlier. But please don't expect miracles. We will not be the next instant 50 server.

Foneb Eagle Knight Posts: 640 Joined: Jan 15, 2010 01:00	by Foneb » Feb 06, 2014 18:09 any chance of trebuchets not costing xp? wasnt changed till cata or smth came out Hiois - Ranger 9lX Uth 1.0 Hiois - Enchanter 6lx Uth 2.0 Mugad - Warden 4lx Uth 2.0 Esigil - Druid 3lx Uth 2.0 Hioisx - Nightshade 1lx Uth 2.0

Blue Developer Posts: 15822 Joined: Apr 22, 2005 00:00	by Blue » Feb 06, 2014 18:23 Grendle wrote:Blue can you explain how getting Experience is going to after the revamp? Will it be harder, easier? In general it will be faster. Grendle wrote:How will group xp be effected, I know a lot of people are going to compare it to origins and com plain and what not, but any insight would be appreciated thanks. We are not going to implement wrong mechanics for group XP. Our group bonus system works original as intended and rewards up to +80% group bonus XP for taking the proper challenge. Group XP dealing for larger level differences in groups will be corrected as said above and will reward more XP for smaller levels leveling with high players than before. It's done when it's done. Thanks for your patience. Every bug gets fixed. Sooner or later. "It is an inescapable law of nature that the amount of satisfaction one gains from achieving something is related to how hard it is and easy things can only elicit a fleeting superficial sort of pleasure." Blue says, "you used macro tools or macro keyboard" Pala says, "i am disabled. and i have a mechanic left hand that can be programed. its hard to play woith one hand" [Appeal] Bxxxxxxxx: "why is RA first aid cann man i stealth use and not unstealth cann man ra if man use unstealth ?????????" BannedUser: "i was not using automate game action my hand was fall on keyboard during i was sleep .... i was completly fall on keyboard ..."

tiarnaz Warder Posts: 12 Joined: May 12, 2011 13:51	by tiarnaz » Feb 06, 2014 22:30 Nayru wrote: Celteen wrote:Not like we told you millions of times I have to aid to Blue's defense here. It is difficult to differentiate between requests for faster experience gain and actual bug reports. I wasn't aware of this bug either and I have played a lot on this server. Experience gain will not be harder after relaunch. Afterall I would say it will be a little bit faster due to some bugfixes Blue mentioned earlier. But please don't expect miracles. We will not be the next instant 50 server. no one want an instant 50 server, but an huge, and for huge i mean really HUGE.. xp bonus, for a month at least.. can greatly help to "recall" player to their base.. not a week.. a month.. please consider that the complete wipe.. destroy ALL (morale too).. there are people that lose many and many toon.. and i dont know if they are happy.. give people a boosted xp rate for a month.. will be a little refund.. then Dev can ponder the situation.. and choose what to do. my 2 cents

Byun Gryphon Knight Posts: 243 Joined: Dec 13, 2012 15:25	by Byun » Feb 06, 2014 22:38 After the month people will complain about the unfair advantage of the people, who were able to use the xp bonus ^^ If you are actually able to use the whole thing, it is a great idea for sure, but if not then there will already be a gap and sth like that wouldn't be very motivating.

Austerim Alerion Knight Posts: 2743 Joined: Dec 15, 2010 16:27	by Austerim » Feb 06, 2014 22:57 Just look at Origins/Genesis. People are already asking for a wipe because of the people that took advantage of the zerg exp there and are now taking advantage of the paper door keeps. Don't need that happening here. [3:10pm] <myrmidon^> You have to be a c*** to be awesome at daoc [3:10pm] <myrmidon^> that's what I learnt [3:11pm] <Frosty_> then why does austerim suck lordgriffon wrote:Oh by the way... ever seen a group of 8 smite clerics? Or play against a group like that? I have. Absolute devastation. The group that runs up against them can't kill them fast enough because smite clerics have sooooooo many tools at their disposal combined with decent ranged damage with 8 of them dudes doing it!

Ilerget Phoenix Knight Posts: 1487 Joined: Jul 04, 2011 11:54	by Ilerget » Feb 06, 2014 23:13 wondering if drop rate and nameds re-pop rate had any bug like xp too or will stay as terrible as it was last times It's the thrill of the chase and I'm coming after you.

Amped34 INVADER Posts: 0 Joined: May 09, 2013 04:50	by Amped34 » Feb 07, 2014 00:17 Can't wait for a brand new classic daoc keep up the great work!

Austerim Alerion Knight Posts: 2743 Joined: Dec 15, 2010 16:27	by Austerim » Feb 07, 2014 00:18 Ilerget wrote:wondering if drop rate and nameds re-pop rate had any bug like xp too or will stay as terrible as it was last times You are welcome to test it on Pendragon if you feel it isn't livelike. [3:10pm] <myrmidon^> You have to be a c*** to be awesome at daoc [3:10pm] <myrmidon^> that's what I learnt [3:11pm] <Frosty_> then why does austerim suck lordgriffon wrote:Oh by the way... ever seen a group of 8 smite clerics? Or play against a group like that? I have. Absolute devastation. The group that runs up against them can't kill them fast enough because smite clerics have sooooooo many tools at their disposal combined with decent ranged damage with 8 of them dudes doing it!

Ilerget Phoenix Knight Posts: 1487 Joined: Jul 04, 2011 11:54	by Ilerget » Feb 07, 2014 00:20 Austerim wrote: Ilerget wrote:wondering if drop rate and nameds re-pop rate had any bug like xp too or will stay as terrible as it was last times You are welcome to test it on Pendragon if you feel it isn't livelike. I don't remember seeing THEIR tests when they decided to change it It's the thrill of the chase and I'm coming after you.

Seksy Eagle Knight Posts: 922 Joined: Nov 21, 2012 08:44	by Seksy » Feb 07, 2014 07:37 Blue wrote:We are not going to implement wrong mechanics for group XP. Our group bonus system works original as intended and rewards up to +80% group bonus XP for taking the proper challenge. Group XP dealing for larger level differences in groups will be corrected as said above and will reward more XP for smaller levels leveling with high players than before. Does this mean that PL will work?

tiarnaz Warder Posts: 12 Joined: May 12, 2011 13:51	by tiarnaz » Feb 07, 2014 12:49 Byun wrote:After the month people will complain about the unfair advantage of the people, who were able to use the xp bonus ^^ If you are actually able to use the whole thing, it is a great idea for sure, but if not then there will already be a gap and sth like that wouldn't be very motivating. complain for what? for making 1 or 2 toon at the start? it's Daoc, the only real complain are for RVR.. having 1 or 2 toon more dont advantage people in neither way, but only can make people happy. an xp bonus at start is in my opinion the best choose.. to make re-launch more attractive and "refund" old player for the lost of his year's work.