Kavarn wrote:Or maybe delete all keep gained rp...... but wait, what would all the mids do then every day?

Tiberian1986 wrote: If you disable the guard group task and increase the hib/alb/mid group Playerkill task rp, maybe then more mids would go for a fg vs fg fight?

No, it will just kill any rvr-action and we will went back to old days with 1-2 rr8+ elite fgs in emain and empty frontiers.

Dubior wrote:Maybe make it so unclaimed keeps have a higher bonus than low level claimed keeps and and add bonus rp's to keeps with upped doors. That may increase claims and some defense of keeps

As a alternative: doors caped to keep-level, more rp/xp bonus for keep defense and rp/xp-realm-bonus of the keep is scaled by keep-lvl?
That should animate realms to claim keeps, upgrade and defend it.

The problem is to stay motivated, if your enemy will allways outnumber you.

At the moment, there are a lot of Hibs / Albs who don't make RvR because you have only two possibility as PUG.
1. Zerged by Mids
2. Farmed by High-RRs

And if this happens every day, PUGs will not run or cancel RvR completely.

Think about that, it is a game, and everybody want to have fun. Also your oppontent is still a player!
The best evenings are, if everybody have won 50% and lost 50%. Both sides are motivated and have fun.
Without opponents RvR will drift to lvl50 PVM.

Back to keepraids:
If it is only possible to raid with 1fg (only one group get the RPs) i think the groups will destick and run different ways.
Then it is possible to have defends / fights with the same number of players on each side.

and now flame on

Frendir wrote:

Lofwyr1971 wrote:Another thought - a bit ore complicated:
Keep level is related to number of guildmembers online...

I would see that coming:

Guild: OMG!!!
Guild: They want to take our keep!
Guild: All log out!! NOW!!!
Guild: Dont feed them rps!!
Your Guild went linkdead.

Good point...

When a keep is under siege the level should stay then till it is raided or it was defended. So you can choose as guild to throw away your keep and feed rps to the enemy (if level is high) - logging out with the guild should not "solve the problem" then...

It's just an idea and sure it as to be more worked out.

Succesfull defense should be rewarded somehow. Maybe +1 level for the keep (attacked as level 8 keep - defended -> raised to level 9). If keep is level 10 maybe a bonus of 5% or 10% RPs for killing attackers to encourage defending. Or 10% for level 10 and 5% from level 5 to 9.

Just some thoughts...

How about just go to emain and kill realm enemies?

Oswaldo wrote:How about just go to emain and kill realm enemies?

Remember just some rules before inc enemy:

- Ask if is soloer
- Ask if anyone in your group know him
- Ask if his group size suits with your
- Check if is low rr, then leave him
- Check if there are already ppl attacking each other or someone has done /bow

Then,
you can kill your realm enemies!

Caemma wrote:

Oswaldo wrote:How about just go to emain and kill realm enemies?

Remember just some rules before inc enemy:

- Ask if is soloer
- Ask if anyone in your group know him
- Ask if his group size suits with your
- Check if is low rr, then leave him
- Check if there are already ppl attacking each other or someone has done /bow

Then,
you can kill your realm enemies!

so true but it missed :

-ask if its smallmen
-ask if stealth war
-ask if non adder gp/gu/as/realm
-ask if ra are up
-see on herald if rr are quite egals
-ask they are ready
-ask if its responsable for realm pvp activities for months
-ask if you are not killing the server

to becontinued !

Buckaroo banzai wrote:-ask if you are not killing the server

That should be "You die the server!"

( Ok, ist Midgard-only joke )

And today albs shown that they can pretty nice zerg too ^^ 2.5 fgs Mids at beno vs 40+ alb inc ^^

Yes! We had MYTH guild night (Revenge of the Redcloaks:P), started out with 2 fg MYTH (since it was guildnight we took 40+ so several 45-49) taking back homeland keeps. Got killed in Beno at first try.Went and took back the other keeps and in the end 3 groups from alliance joined us to help us take back Beno.

Thanks for some fun fights in Albion last night!

/Druheals

Thx for nice Fights on Beno and Surs

yes, was all fun =)

I cleaned up this thread. Let me remind you that this is not about 1v1, 8v8, adding or fundamental discussions about the way DAoC is meant to be played. Please stick to the topic at hand - keep warfare.

Daene wrote:As a alternative: doors caped to keep-level, more rp/xp bonus for keep defense and rp/xp-realm-bonus of the keep is scaled by keep-lvl?
That should animate realms to claim keeps, upgrade and defend it.

Fail, if i am not wrong lvl 10 keep cost more as 1k bps each hour .. You and your mates can maybe hold a keep with this hourpayment for, let me think, not more as 24hours ?

well -actually u can upgrade doors w/0 caring what lvl the keep itself is: doors can be lvl 10 and keep lvl 4, which is same price as a lvl 1 keep, so why not upgrade if claming =)

ciecus wrote:Back to keepraids:
If it is only possible to raid with 1fg (only one group get the RPs) i think the groups will destick and run different ways.
Then it is possible to have defends / fights with the same number of players on each side.

I think he may be onto something here that could actually work a lil bit. This system allready works for kill tasks. If me and another guy are going after the same gaurd for a solo kill task it is whoever does the most dmg that gets credit. Both players wont get credit. You could do the same for keep raids. By doing that realms could still go as a zerg and raid keeps, but the rp's wouldnt be the same for everyone. Now instead of 3 groups stuck and taking each keep together, you would have 3 groups running around seperate each one trying to take the keeps as fast as they can before the other 2 groups catch up. This could keep the #'s at keeps a bit more "defensible." I'm not saying its a perfect idea, but it would have an effect.

We don't want groups of the same realm to fight over keeps. We want them to work together as this is the only way to include casual players in the rvr world.