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Postby HulkGris » Nov 29, 2012 13:35

Heartace wrote:forgive me .. but the guys who mostly raid this keeps are Die Besorger, schwarze legion etc .. this guilds are german guilds .. so, whats your answer now ? :)

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Postby Drusillaz » Nov 29, 2012 14:16

That USA and other similar timezone albies seem to be a bit lazy: however I saw Sanguine out pretty early CET, thats mainly americans, so they arent ALL lazy:P
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Postby borog » Nov 29, 2012 14:38

Drusillaz wrote:True =),
Dunno if we remembered to downgrade keep at midnight=), we mostly keep it at 4, but when we go to bed and cant defend it ourselves we tend to downgrade!
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if you downgrade your keep at midnight, how are you helping promote server wide RVR?

it seems that you are actually only interested in getting people out for your enjoyment and not that of the server as a whole. This turns the "only albs and hibs care about the server" sentiment on its head surely?

I can't answer for the Mids habit of not claiming keeps because I'm not one of the people who panic at the sight of a low RR toon unlike most on these forums, so tend not to go out on these mass keep runs. However i do occasionally look at the warmap and notice that mids have gone on a rampage and taken all keeps from one realm. I also notice that only 1 or two are claimed. My question is, how does a guild group claim all of the keeps that they take? Also how long does it usually take to upgrade a keep to lvl 9 or so ?

I would guess the downtime needed to upgrade a keep (and doors) to that level would put a serious crimp in the rvr playtime you might have.

Surely the only way mids can actually claim all the keep is it to either run in a pug with each member being from a different guild (assuming each member has permission to claim) or wait until there are more than one group out and share the claiming between them.

I can see how this might prove difficult; but not just for Midgard.

Is it also not true that on this tank-centric server that mids are at a disadvantage when it comes to defending keeps because we run with limited range dps?

Albs can just stand at 2300 range and spam doors if they really have to and hibs have the best CC (and them damn place-anywhere-shrooms) so tanks might find it hard getting close to them.

why claim a keep when you know for a fact that you will not be able to defend it unless you outnumber the enemy (or the enemy are stupid)?

just some questions as i'm not pro or con this argument to be honest.

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Postby Heartace » Nov 29, 2012 17:55

borog wrote:Is it also not true that on this tank-centric server that mids are at a disadvantage when it comes to defending keeps because we run with limited range dps?


Create more ranged classes ? .) Maybe more Thanes ? to kill any CC ? ^^

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Postby borog » Nov 29, 2012 18:01

thanes... the ever un-groupable toon

although i remember watching that thane zerg video in old thidranki from live.. that would have been awesome.

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Postby RonELuvv » Nov 29, 2012 19:28

Last night when I was on and tasking/going to thid/going to AMG/taking keeps, there were a fg of albs in Migard frontiers trying to take keeps. There was also a 6 man of BA from Albion out roaming around. At this same time Dottormettalo was running w/ a 7-8 man defending and trying to take keeps. There was also a 6 man of Mids that took Hlid and I'm assuming moved on to either defend or try and take another keep.

This all occured at around 7pm-10pm CST American. That would be very late for Euro players, but what do people expect. This is an international server so one persons prime time is another persons late night/early morning. I get that it sucks when you claim a keep and hope to defend it and the next day after you have slept you log in to see it was taken while you were asleep, but what exactly do you expect? Do you think the people taking these keeps are going to stop and wait for defenders? It happens to everyone at all times. During Euro time I cant defend because I'm at work, yet when I can I still claim keeps. If you lose it then just go and take it back when you get on.

Also, this is at Borog who posed some good questions, I dont think that people are asking the Mids to claim all the keeps they take. Just claim a few.
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Postby Kavarn » Nov 29, 2012 19:42

Hlid was btw. 9 inc, i was the Infil inside, and i get the count from your guard kills. The 5 or 6 man Alb group, that try to get the keep didn't reach Hlid quick enough, cause they where at the time that you guys hit Hlid at Hadrians.
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Postby Orihiime » Nov 29, 2012 19:44

Thane are groupable, i played mine some in group instead of my warrior, and did well with it. Just dont use ur aoe hammer, only for clean pet.
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Postby Heartace » Nov 29, 2012 20:12

Orihiime wrote:Thane are groupable, i played mine some in group instead of my warrior, and did well with it. Just dont use ur aoe hammer, only for clean pet.


If you dont use your AE's if someone do AE mezz, then you can play your thane .. but the most thane players on uthgard maybe have only 2 buttons on the bars .. AE and a style .. :D maybe stick too ^^

I know some good thanes (incl you).. they know how to play .. but on mid you have more players who play the thane wrong :)

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Postby Orihiime » Nov 29, 2012 20:14

Heartace wrote:
Orihiime wrote:Thane are groupable, i played mine some in group instead of my warrior, and did well with it. Just dont use ur aoe hammer, only for clean pet.


If you dont use your AE's if someone do AE mezz, then you can play your thane .. but the most thane players on uthgard maybe have only 2 buttons on the bars .. AE and a style .. :D maybe stick too ^^

I know some good thanes (incl you).. they know how to play .. but on mid you have more players who play the thane wrong :)

Well need to be used of it i think. I played thane in group when i was EdN like 3 times, but my warrior was already rr8+, so i knew what to do, but when i played her in zerg, ofc i used my aoe hammer, just for see how beautiful it :D
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Postby Sturlek » Nov 29, 2012 20:56

Heartace wrote:forgive me .. but the guys who mostly raid this keeps are Die Besorger, schwarze legion etc .. this guilds are german guilds .. so, whats your answer now ? :)


If you're wondering who took MYTH's renaris last night it was my group of mostly American players.

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Postby RonELuvv » Nov 29, 2012 22:11

Kavarn wrote:Hlid was btw. 9 inc, i was the Infil inside, and i get the count from your guard kills. The 5 or 6 man Alb group, that try to get the keep didn't reach Hlid quick enough, cause they where at the time that you guys hit Hlid at Hadrians.


Well, there was 9, but only 6 of them were grouped. I was solo, a skald was solo, and so was another one there. They invited me but I was completing solo tasks as they were taking the doors down. :)

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Postby Hightmute » Nov 30, 2012 03:23

Heartace wrote:If you dont use your AE's if someone do AE mezz, then you can play your thane


or just dont ae mezz and only use ae hammer. cc sucks anyway

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Postby pythion » Nov 30, 2012 03:24

Hightmute wrote:
Heartace wrote:If you dont use your AE's if someone do AE mezz, then you can play your thane


or just dont ae mezz and only use ae hammer. cc sucks anyway

this gives me a great idea, lets replace cc classes in groups with thanes
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Postby pweet » Nov 30, 2012 04:30

or cave shamans, even u get rupted u can still break CC :idea:

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