ForumMy thoughts about Old RA's
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I will try to keep this short, as no one wants to read a wall of text
 Good things: Difference between the realms, it's nice that there is RA's that makes each realm more unique. Bad things: 30min RA's - Slows down the pace of RvR, no matter how you twist and turn it, there is and will always be RA campers simply put, less RvR activity. No det on hybrids - Makes hybrids pretty much useless in grp RvR (I don't play hybrids myself, but this is just common sense) Stealth detection RA's - MoS as it is atm is the best and most balanced stealth detection system there ever was, old RA's screws this over. There are more concerns but I think everyone could atleast "live" with Old RA's if these things were taken into consideration IMO If these points don't get adressed before Old RA implementation Iit will be a huge step in the wrong direction if you ask me.. Do you agree or not? If you don't agree please write your point of view short and to the point the way I did, WALLS OF TEXT IS FORBIDDEN IS THIS THREAD  ALB:
Nag - RR9 Mincer Eng - RR2 Cabalist HIB: Herra - RR6 Ranger Nex - RR4 Enchanter MID: Adore RR5 Skald |
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about everyones complain on hybridt det what is the big deala bout it lol.
let me ask anyone will inv me to group if i get det 5 as friar? answer is no..couse i am not uber dps as merc arms reaver i am not good healer as cleric +no spec bufs to give.. assuming this goes msotly same as other hybrids as well on other realms the only one benefiting fom det mostly is reaver couse he has silly damge(which most si classes in my eye is stupid to be implemented) first chk the classes you are talking about insted telling some mediocre problems mgiht occure in futer with some thing change. for antoehr example on my healer part now msot healers on 3 realms use almost same ras( di 1-2 mcl sere 2-3 purge rp moc and bof) let me ask you if those ras differ fom realm they forced to change their playing styl according to their realm vice (like albs get bof and silly di(mabe)) mids get rp only and hibs get group purge and they loose some other ras in according tog et their realms specifi ras . and this will result in no mroe combat insta rezz on hib and alb no mroe bof on mid and hib and uber group purge for hib to get rid of cc and stuf. for det who cares about it ther is tons fo difrent ras that you can get for the typ of group you playing with( as a reaver you can get mostr with moarms in order to hit mreo faster with your levi and dont forget with having a 30 min purge not so many enemys to purge your slam for 8 sec...) and for a good thng on pala part they can get faith heal (in my part it is realy a useful spell yes has 30 min cool down but it is cheaper ip for pala part as well as an insta heal on group (third insta on group if you count clerics) and for rvr part no more rr5 ras or silly ras like(aog-sos-charge(which of these are dump on start of each fight ras for all grous out here)) will be dulled and realm speficf which change group play styles. with old ras gap difrence between high adn low rr wont be that much couse the barrage to pass on old ras is lvoer then new ones( msotly rr4-5) to pass the limit for nf part it is rr6-7 (geting purge det4-5 charge 2 for melee dps part) and the difrenece between the ra specing is not a big deal on old ras wheter you get mopain 2 or 5 it is a %9 difrence but on new ras it is %6 vs %24 (a difrence of %18 nearly duble of odl ras) for that reason paying 14 pints worths for speicng ti to 5 on new but on old it is nto worth and which prevents higher rrs tog et mroe oop. so i gladly want old ras over nf ones even if i am the most hindered class with changing to old ras as friar. |
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Staff already announced Old RAs are not coming any time soon so why even discuss it at this point?
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As I wrote, no walls of text please your arguements are not short and to the point..You argue that the rediculously low gain from mopain 2 to 5 with old RA's is a GOOD thing? You totally lost me there.. The fact that higher RR people has an advantage is part of DAoC and part what makes it interesting.. It feels good to kill an rr11 as rr4 to take an example and it's only fair their char should be that much more powerful for all the time they spent in RvR.. If you want to negate the effect on RR why not just remove them all together (which is also a stupid idea imo, but it seems to be where you want to go if you could take it to an extreme) ALB:
Nag - RR9 Mincer Eng - RR2 Cabalist HIB: Herra - RR6 Ranger Nex - RR4 Enchanter MID: Adore RR5 Skald |
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I know, but they still haven't said they scrapped it totally, personally I hope they never come as do many others.. There is way less changes that is needed to make NF ra's good than there are with OF.. OF RA's will take way more work to balance.. ALB:
Nag - RR9 Mincer Eng - RR2 Cabalist HIB: Herra - RR6 Ranger Nex - RR4 Enchanter MID: Adore RR5 Skald |
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SoS and BoF
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True. Like implementing nf mota and removing: viper, pd&ip from archers, cc immunity from charge, and you're 90% done imo.
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And another thread about it
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I know there has been many threads, but they all end up being waay to TL;DR.. The point of this way to make a thread where people could state the good and bad things about old RA's short and to the point.. I can't be the only one who thinks the incomming change is a huge mistake.. ALB:
Nag - RR9 Mincer Eng - RR2 Cabalist HIB: Herra - RR6 Ranger Nex - RR4 Enchanter MID: Adore RR5 Skald |
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And another thread about it |
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Yah, I think you (Breeze) summed up my thoughts on old RA's pretty well. I dont see determination being as big a factor for the reason that was brought up earlier on this thread by Zenoyaba. The hybrid tanks that lose det allready have a hard time getting into groups, and they have determination now, so losing it shouldnt make that big of a difference.
I could not agree more w/ you on the Mastery of Stealth comment. The only thing I would like to add to that is that I think assasins should lose detect hidden and get a form of camo just like rangerd stealthers have, so ALL stealthers have the same 3 basic things involved in stealthing: your spec (including +'s), your MoS, and your camo. That is the most fair way to handle stealthing. Going back to classic RA's just makes ranged stealthers totally gimped in stealther fights. Hey Braxis, you put that ranged stealther should lose pd AND ip. I would be willing to agree w/ PD, but ranged stealthers have ALWAYS had access to ip and should have access to it. We had it on Old RA's and on New, but I could see losing PD as long as assasins lost viper 2-3. |
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Some of them do, not all. Think of all the ppl that rolled melee hybrids for grping and are now forced to solo (which is hard enough as a visible) or just stop playing their class altogether.
If you want fair, then don't go OF RA's. NF RA's are way more balanced and (casual) player friendly for this day and age. Those who claim that OF RA's will somehow magically reduce the difference between high and low RR ppl clearly have no idea of what they are talking about and are extremely shortsighted.
Archers were never meant to be melee tank killers, which in this setting they (meaning ranger) are. Ever wonder why mythic removed ip from assassins a short wile after they got it?
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new ras were added after toa..
uthgard has no toa I really cant see why people think new ra's ras are that good - Honey Badgers
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