1) Yes this is a rage log post. deal with it. qq i died in an rvr zone.

Maybe i remember things differently back on live, which could have been largely influenced by buffbots inflating stats, or just people not poison swapping that much back then. and later toa making melee scouts viable. but, how do scouts have even a smidge of a chance vs a poison swapping assassin (with viper 3 of course).

Even with a capped template and some buff pots, its only about 4 attacks to land with a viper 3 lifebane to kill a scout. meanwhile the scout needs to land what, 10-20?. the scouts chance to block is cut in half, but the assassin still evades 40-50%.

2) use a bow? ok, i get the idea, but when are you going to see anntoher sneak at range enough to actually shoot them, and i tried that, and when i went to finish in melle the rr11 effectivly 3 rounded my low rr scout.


3) slam and use a bow? sure theres slam + crit, but everone has purge 2-3, so it hasnt worked once for me. cause i sure am not going to live 45 seconds vs viper 3 to land annother slam. numb has potential here, but its doubtful. and honestly, even a few that let me dps through slam, just 4 rounded me when they came out of it.

4) purge, useless because dot is reapplied every swing.

5) IP2, would be nice, I had it on live, but my newbie is a low rr still. and lately im not sure if its even worth IP2 as that only buys annother 1-2 swings with viper.

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So whats the strategy here? so far my options are:

A) Die fighting, and hope the fight gets jammed by a fg, netting me a few hundred rps.

B) Zerg.

id be ok with those options if it was only temporary. but the fights today were so lopsided it makes me wonder if any amount of rr would improve the situation. or do higher rr scouts go for high AM and EM to reduce the viper dmg. seems like speciallizing vs only one class, but that one class seems to be the only thing i see out there. and heaven help us when they get dodger.

Dodger won't make a difference since assassins already have capped evade chance due to weaponskill not working. Plus purge will be on a 30 minute timer and viper won't be passive either. Scouts -should- have a lot easier time in 1v1 than they do now.

Atm there is absolutly nothing u can do about it If u roll a new toon next time, go to the forum and ask if it is a decent class for what u want to do with it. Since everyone would ve told u that a scout is just a pain in the ass

pweet wrote: Since everyone would ve told u that a scout is just a pain in the ass

ahahaha, scout is a dmg dealer if u look on the mid archerclass, then u know what suxxs is

Lemonjelly wrote:Dodger won't make a difference since assassins already have capped evade chance due to weaponskill not working. Plus purge will be on a 30 minute timer and viper won't be passive either. Scouts -should- have a lot easier time in 1v1 than they do now.

Only problem with that theory is being perfed every single inc because of see hidden.

Methusalem wrote:

pweet wrote: Since everyone would ve told u that a scout is just a pain in the ass

ahahaha, scout is a dmg dealer if u look on the mid archerclass, then u know what suxxs is

Shadowblades seem nerfed too.

Jarysa wrote:

Lemonjelly wrote:Dodger won't make a difference since assassins already have capped evade chance due to weaponskill not working. Plus purge will be on a 30 minute timer and viper won't be passive either. Scouts -should- have a lot easier time in 1v1 than they do now.

Only problem with that theory is being perfed every single inc because of see hidden.

Well perhaps but not really every single inc.

is it psbl to use a /ignore name command in forum too ?

I agree Scouts will perform better with OF RAs, but they will still be low on the power scale. The Scout sacrifices a lot of NF goodies (MoS, passive PD, better MoB, 15 minute IP) to have his enemies on a long purge timer.

Well every class loses a lot with the oldra transition, there's no real winner there (what an improvement).

Sure there are winners, like all CC classes, casters in general.

Lemonjelly wrote:Well every class loses a lot with the oldra transition, there's no real winner there (what an improvement).

Small men win, since you can attack more enemies with less people, if you use your CC wisely. Also casters will perform much better 'cause of no charge, purge 3, sos (small men). 8vs8 is not that much effected imo.

This thread is already reaching critical mass.

pweet wrote:Sure there are winners, like all CC classes, casters in general.

Because casters and CC classes are immune to CC, especially nearsight ?

GoGreen wrote:Small men win, since you can attack more enemies with less people, if you use your CC wisely. Also casters will perform much better 'cause of no charge, purge 3, sos (small men). 8vs8 is not that much effected imo.

If if if if if. Nobody wins, everyone loses a lot more than they gain. I'm talking about realm abilities not theoretical situations where one beats the other in initial mezzing and infinite variables (if you win mezz, if you lose, if they resist, if you resist, if someone goes ld, if they all have purge, if just 2 have purge, if your cat is on fire etc.).

Lemonjelly wrote:

pweet wrote:Sure there are winners, like all CC classes, casters in general.

Because casters and CC classes are immune to CC, especially nearsight ?

GoGreen wrote:Small men win, since you can attack more enemies with less people, if you use your CC wisely. Also casters will perform much better 'cause of no charge, purge 3, sos (small men). 8vs8 is not that much effected imo.

If if if if if. Nobody wins, everyone loses a lot more than they gain. I'm talking about realm abilities not theoretical situations where one beats the other in initial mezzing and infinite variables (if you win mezz, if you lose, if they resist, if you resist, if someone goes ld, if they all have purge, if just 2 have purge, if your cat is on fire etc.).

Atm it's really not necessary to have any idea where to go when to get a nice side inc, 'cause your CC will be purged in seconds. That's the biggest problem I'm facing in RvR duo atm. So with old RA's if I land a nice mezz it's a big advantage which means much more fun for me as a bard healbot hehe
However just noticed that's not the topic of this thread at all

This thread gets lost: Scouts vs Assassins