Uthgard • View topic - statement from uthgard staff on relics OF please

statement from uthgard staff on relics OF please

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Smooth Myrmidon Posts: 147 Joined: Dec 08, 2006 01:00	by Smooth » Nov 17, 2009 23:52 irrelevant everyone put a lot of effort, planning and what else into gaining RPs thats not the point the RPs are protected now by class skill that is newly introduced (Animist, other class / ability changes) so the RPs should be reset so every realm get a fair share of that mechanism noone hast to complain then cause there is nothing to complain^^ if you change the class skill mechanism while the RPs are unevenly distributed you automatically grant the one owning the most RPs a advantage - if that happens you favour one player above others even if you do not intend to do so [...]

SirTorian Myrmidon Posts: 71 Joined: Feb 14, 2009 01:00	by SirTorian » Nov 18, 2009 01:35 Blue wrote:Galandriel: This was already recommended in this thread. But I doubt it would fit our lower population. Maybe it has to be trimmed. You just need to find the "right level" for the guards. And the reduction of guards with each enemy relic would be nice too. Patch Notes: Version 1.49B EXPLANATION OF FRONTIER GUARD CHANGES http://support.darkageofcamelot.com/kb/ ... php?id=441 To alleviate some of the confusion brought on by the guard changes in 1.49, here's an explanation of how the system works. Each home Outpost (frontier keep), when "owned" by the home realm, controls a contingent of guards at each Relic Keep. For example, if the forces of Albion control the Albion Outpost Caer Benowyc, a number of guards representing Caer Benowyc will appear at the Relic Keeps in the Albion frontier. The number of "Relic Guards" these outposts spawns depends on the location of the outpost - the number is either 2,3, or 4 guards. These are referred to as "Outpost relic guards", and are distinguished from normal guards at the relics by being higher level and having the name of the "controlling" Outpost keep over their heads. However, the actual number of "Outpost Relic Guards" at the relic keep is modified by two factors: Outposts owned and Relics owned. Relics owned: Outpost Relic Guards are reduced by 25% for every relic over 2 owned by a Realm. 3 relics owned = 75% frontier keep relic guards 4 relics owned = 50% frontier keep relic guards 5 relics owned = 25% frontier keep relic guards 6 relics owned = 0% frontier keep relic guards Outposts Owned When an Outpost is captured by the enemy, the guards it controls are not spawned at the relic keeps.

Aemonchichi Warder Posts: 40 Joined: Nov 16, 2009 01:00	by Aemonchichi » Nov 18, 2009 02:00 smooth this is not about rps, stay on topic

Der_Eisbaer Eagle Knight Posts: 535 Joined: Feb 21, 2008 01:00	by Der_Eisbaer » Nov 18, 2009 09:28 Blue wrote:You didnt notice that we have a warning now on every guard kill? Its even a bit too much. - New: Realm wide under siege message (we will see how this develops) Yes, I indeed noticed that and so of course my idea was to use the relic guards system - as now nicely descriped by SirTorian - instead of a realm wide warning message.

Blue Developer Posts: 15822 Joined: Apr 22, 2005 00:00	by Blue » Nov 18, 2009 13:58 Yes the description of SirTorian is detailed enough to implement it. If somebody has a screen of old relic keep guards it would be nice to see. Especially the really hard guards. It's done when it's done. Thanks for your patience. Every bug gets fixed. Sooner or later. "It is an inescapable law of nature that the amount of satisfaction one gains from achieving something is related to how hard it is and easy things can only elicit a fleeting superficial sort of pleasure." Blue says, "you used macro tools or macro keyboard" Pala says, "i am disabled. and i have a mechanic left hand that can be programed. its hard to play woith one hand" [Appeal] Bxxxxxxxx: "why is RA first aid cann man i stealth use and not unstealth cann man ra if man use unstealth ?????????" BannedUser: "i was not using automate game action my hand was fall on keyboard during i was sleep .... i was completly fall on keyboard ..."

Aemonchichi Warder Posts: 40 Joined: Nov 16, 2009 01:00	by Aemonchichi » Nov 18, 2009 14:16 yes pls - relic uber gards asap the albs need even more protection for cheap relics maybe also lazergunz ? what about that ? sorry for the sarcasm here but - i still demand relic reset instead of increased unbalancing otherwise i have to think about handing out "YAY Albion" T-Shirts to the Uthgard staff^^

Zarkor Unicorn Knight Posts: 3710 Joined: Aug 15, 2006 00:00 Location: Antwerp, Flanders, Belgium	by Zarkor » Nov 18, 2009 14:18 Aemonchichi wrote:yes pls - relic uber gards asap the albs need even more protection for cheap relics maybe also lazergunz ? what about that ? sorry for the sarcasm here but - i still demand relic reset instead of increased unbalancing otherwise i have to think about handing out "YAY Albion" T-Shirts to the Uthgard staff^^ This would make it easier to capture relics from a realm that has a lot of them. Not imbalance it even further.

Amadeth Eagle Knight Posts: 731 Joined: Apr 18, 2009 00:00 Location: Zagreb, Croatia	by Amadeth » Nov 18, 2009 16:07 Aemonchichi wrote:yes pls - relic uber gards asap the albs need even more protection for cheap relics maybe also lazergunz ? what about that ? sorry for the sarcasm here but - i still demand relic reset instead of increased unbalancing otherwise i have to think about handing out "YAY Albion" T-Shirts to the Uthgard staff^^ learn to read instead of whine. <strong>FIX TEH PROFILE PAGE SO I CAN CHANGE MY SIG PLZ</strong>

Gerbald Phoenix Knight Posts: 1546 Joined: Jul 01, 2005 00:00	by Gerbald » Nov 18, 2009 16:17 Owning more relics results in less guards who protect them, thats the way i remember it and its a good thing. Its also a lot easier to raid relics when you raid some or even all outposts who bring relic guards first, but by raiding the outposts, you give the raided realm a warning and they can even raid their outposts back while you are at the relic keep and then you have to deal with the very hard relic guards again.

Der_Eisbaer Eagle Knight Posts: 535 Joined: Feb 21, 2008 01:00	by Der_Eisbaer » Nov 18, 2009 16:22 Gerbald wrote:Owning more relics results in less guards who protect them, thats the way i remember it and its a good thing. Its also a lot easier to raid relics when you raid some or even all outposts who bring relic guards first, but by raiding the outposts, you give the raided realm a warning and they can even raid their outposts back while you are at the relic keep and then you have to deal with the very hard relic guards again. Yep, I remember one strategy was to split the raid army into three parts: Two that would each open the gates at an enemy keep but would not kill the keeplord until the main part of the raid army reached the relic keep. Then the two keeplords would be killed simultanously and the raid army would charge the relic keep.

Blue Developer Posts: 15822 Joined: Apr 22, 2005 00:00	by Blue » Nov 18, 2009 19:17 We must be careful because we dont have 500+ players in OF yet. So this system must be trimmed a bit. Maybe the guards shouldnt be that strong. It's done when it's done. Thanks for your patience. Every bug gets fixed. Sooner or later. "It is an inescapable law of nature that the amount of satisfaction one gains from achieving something is related to how hard it is and easy things can only elicit a fleeting superficial sort of pleasure." Blue says, "you used macro tools or macro keyboard" Pala says, "i am disabled. and i have a mechanic left hand that can be programed. its hard to play woith one hand" [Appeal] Bxxxxxxxx: "why is RA first aid cann man i stealth use and not unstealth cann man ra if man use unstealth ?????????" BannedUser: "i was not using automate game action my hand was fall on keyboard during i was sleep .... i was completly fall on keyboard ..."

Musikus Phoenix Knight Posts: 1753 Joined: Jul 22, 2007 00:00 Location: Achau (bei Wien)	by Musikus » Nov 18, 2009 19:52 they are good as they are, and they are far away from being too strong (they might be too strong if the mob damage is fixed some day, but right now they arent)...albs took relic with 2 FG and about 1h30min. with perma guard inc... if 2 groups can handle it its ok, if your realm cant get 2 groups together..not the systems fault..

Zarkor Unicorn Knight Posts: 3710 Joined: Aug 15, 2006 00:00 Location: Antwerp, Flanders, Belgium	by Zarkor » Nov 18, 2009 20:51 Blue wrote:We must be careful because we dont have 500+ players in OF yet. So this system must be trimmed a bit. Maybe the guards shouldnt be that strong. <3 ! I also agree with what musikus said. 2 decent fullgrps should be able to handle taking a relic. After all they are very vulnerable at that time due to the constant guard influx.

Blue Developer Posts: 15822 Joined: Apr 22, 2005 00:00	by Blue » Nov 18, 2009 20:54 I meant the strength of the guards on live should not be taken 1:1 for Uthgard. It's done when it's done. Thanks for your patience. Every bug gets fixed. Sooner or later. "It is an inescapable law of nature that the amount of satisfaction one gains from achieving something is related to how hard it is and easy things can only elicit a fleeting superficial sort of pleasure." Blue says, "you used macro tools or macro keyboard" Pala says, "i am disabled. and i have a mechanic left hand that can be programed. its hard to play woith one hand" [Appeal] Bxxxxxxxx: "why is RA first aid cann man i stealth use and not unstealth cann man ra if man use unstealth ?????????" BannedUser: "i was not using automate game action my hand was fall on keyboard during i was sleep .... i was completly fall on keyboard ..."

Zarkor Unicorn Knight Posts: 3710 Joined: Aug 15, 2006 00:00 Location: Antwerp, Flanders, Belgium	by Zarkor » Nov 18, 2009 21:54 Blue wrote:I meant the strength of the guards on live should not be taken 1:1 for Uthgard. Yes of course, Uthgard's RvR community just isn't the same it was back on live. 300 man Relic raids are just not possible, yet.