Everwar wrote:

nixian wrote:

the way staff is killing solo rvr atm is hard to live with

goodbye agra - hello lowbie ani for new template for when staff realize their mistake

Here you have last Nixian's treasure in this forums..

okay to explain:

first quote you made: was done when camps were removed the first day - this meant A LOT!! of people were still entering agra by horse, solo, duos, etc

this meant there were A LOT of good action for a solo

then something happened.. not sure what.. but people stopped going to agra and instead they relogged to lowbies.. this lead to more people thinking no action which lead to even less going to agra (bad circle here? i think so yes)

now... explanation for ur 2nd quote:

BP cost for recharge stones - THAT is what is killing solo rvr - not rvr changes!


now - next time you quote - get the background with it

even if some people dont want to accept the truth: uthgard 50 rvr is entirely dead since the patch came up, many stealthers and soloers completly stopped playing and i understand it. every day i log out with my solo char im frustrated and ask myself why im still playing if nobody else does (yesterday 3k rp in 4 or 5 hours playing lol).

the staff should really accept, that the removal of the porters was a wrong idea and should correct the damage now.

personally i wouldnt like a 50 bg cause rvr shouldnt be splitted up more, but if the actual singleplayer rvr zone should be the final version of uthgard, i would really love a 50 bg for fighting against other people instead of fighting against the boredom.

Johnny wrote:even if some people dont want to accept the truth: uthgard 50 rvr is entirely dead since the patch came up, many stealthers and soloers completly stopped playing and i understand it. every day i log out with my solo char im frustrated and ask myself why im still playing if nobody else does (yesterday 3k rp in 4 or 5 hours playing lol).

the staff should really accept, that the removal of the porters was a wrong idea and should correct the damage now.

nothing more to say...you got the point perfektly

well the only way to get nice RP for solo´s (i mainly talk for archers) are guard tasks...you can make 2 tasks per hour and get 1500 RP per hour.
thats most of the time much much more as you can get with normal RvR since the remove of the porters..
fakt is fakt...stealther RvR is dead now.

i'm absolutely against the level 50 bg.
thats would be the end of rvr.
i suggest to put some bonus rp when fighting near some place in frontiers (for example 3 spot: 1 in each realm map).
that will create hot spot

There are "new hotspots" already in place. They're towers and keeps and their vicinity.

Ironically, I will copypaste every reason the staff mentioned for removing the camps and prove them completely invalid:

1.)* Players fleeing from the milegates into the camps to prevent the own death.

Same thing happens now. No not the same, worse, people zoning into keeps/towers. At least you could still kill people in the camps in case they fled.

2.)* Players kiting enemies back to the camps to have respawning players helping them (= reinforcements -> ended in "zerging").

And what is so wrong with zerging ? If you want to make Agramon an 8v8 arena put a playercap and a minimum requirement of being in a group of 8 to enter. I can only imagine the same people who complained about "zerging" in the german forum would love this to happen

3.)* Players kiting enemies back to the camps to attack them ranged from an absolutely safe position.

First of all, how is that different from someone attacking from a tower/keep wall ?

Secondly, the camps were far from absolutely safe positions because:
a)the guards were killable
b)the guards were CC-able
c)the guards were kitable

4.)* Players re-entering the instant-killzone so fast into , that they had up to 4 times rvr illness.

So ? If someone chooses to RvR at 50% effectiveness, why not let them ? If they can do the same in the lower level battlegrounds, why not endgame ?

5.)* Groups did not want to run near the keeps because of the dangers i mentioned before, which led to a more limited zone.

Which led to a more limited zone, which was JUST WHAT UTHGARD NEEDED. Didn't you notice how must RvR it was back then ? The killspams were constant. Compared to what's it like now ? It's empty. Deserted. In 3 hours we had 3 encounters. Pretty pathetic imo. At least compared to 3 weeks ago. Right now Agramon can be compared to what it was 2 years ago, when 100-150 people played on Uthgard which is a serious downgrade imo.

6.)* Enemy groups waiting in the camps in order to kill players who teleported into the camps, which caused frustration.

How is that different from me zoning out of a teleport keep and dying to a full group standing outside ? What are you gonna do now, remove teleport keeps and make people run from border keep to border keep in order to find RvR ?


In conclusion, I really don't know what the Uthgard staff is thinking that they kill any type of fun a casual player on this server can have just to appease to the few german posters because those few have been on the server for longer then others. Just because they've been here longer doesn't mean the younger players don't see mistakes in the custom changes. Just because they've been here longer doesn't make them better than anyone else, or does it ?

You decide, rollback the changes and save endgame rvr, or keep the changes and keep your german 8v8 arena.

Also, I don't play a solo class but 500 BPs for a recharge stone is ridiculous.

Rant off.

panachier wrote:i am oki for any idea... it would be nice to have something to do on uthgard except chating.

but i think a 50 bg is a nice idea to let the choice to the players. or you log bg if you just want some fun, fights, 8vs8, solo action or any...

or you can log in NF if you wanna fight for you realm, attack/defend relics, open DF etc...

Panachier hit on the basic points behind this proposal for a level 50 BG. Giving players a choice of playstyles is what folks here have been asking for a long time. My observation of the interest in bgs has been that they are popular due to being easily accessible and have reasonable amounts action in them. Leaving the new frontier system as is for the most part (except maybe adding a RP bonus at particular spots in it to encourage people to meet there) would allow for people who may not want to join in the "zerg fest" in the bgs should they be too crowded for their tastes at that particular time, to go seek action in another area. The new frontiers zones would also serve as a means for true RvR action for keep sieges to retake DF or relics for those individuals interested in these activities. Therefore you serve 3 different playstyles at once with minimal effort.

The ONLY way to make this work is to make Cathal Valley the only RvR zone.

Splitting up zones even more will lead to nothing but emptiness wherever you go.

Zarkor wrote:The ONLY way to make this work is to make Cathal Valley the only RvR zone.

Splitting up zones even more will lead to nothing but emptiness wherever you go.

i 100% agree with that

I still have trust in the GMs tho, they claim to make significant RvR improvements in the current zone and I'm eagerly awaiting them instead of bothering with a new zone .

Splitting up zones even more will lead to nothing but emptiness wherever you go.

more emptiness than it is now? how would that be possible?

A lvl50 BG? Its a nice idea, but no chance on uthgard, because it will increase this evil "fastfood rvr" thing and the staff dont want it.

All democratic countries (that have millions of citizens) accept voting like the instrument to take decisions, and a community like us with 1000 players cant even get a overall decision about what kind of RvR we want.

I think the time for an OFFICIAL VOTING about old frontiers map implementation or "go back to camps+port" has arrived. The result of the voting should draw Uthgard rvr line of development.

Yep, it is easy. POLL!

It's even easier. Wait for our current developments and stop flaming. I just spectated the RvR for an hour this evening. There have been around 70 players from all 3 realms fighting in front of Dun Crauchon. Is this what you call deserted and empty?

There will be no poll about a level 50 battleground. This makes absolutely no sense.

Everwar has been banned from the forum. There is no problem with critisizing, but calling us facists and trying to raise players against us is a no go.