what a great idea..

tonight story:
panachou loggin, have a look at the changelog, panachou /qtd

Request in german forum: http://uthgard-server.net/modules.php?n ... ic&t=10246

Removal of the camps was requested several times.

Use the horse from homekeep to milegate. Its fast enough. Theres no sense in running with Sickness in RvR zone.

And there is no sense in running with horse and getting PA'ed by a super skilled stealther.

it's not a reason at all...

i don't see what it'll change. if it's to delay the groups roaming in agra you could use a timed porter. or anything else. that kills solo rvr ( except for stealther that can choose to not die when group around). the rvr areas will be the same...

i really don't see any reason.

there has been more post about " please i am a archer i am weak i need a boost" but it would be stupid too to give them what they ask.

i read somewhere that blue got a 99% whining resist, let's say it's bad luck and they hit you critically. i hope you'll change your mind and find a solution for people that don't want to spend time on boat and prefere rvring.

edit: come on blue be serious, only noob would use horse to give free RPs. boat is the only serious way to move but the problem is that boats are buggy so that's why using a timer to port would be even better than the actual solution.

panachier wrote:i read somewhere that blue got a 99% whining resist, let's say it's bad luck and they hit you critically.

I did not finally decide it. But see it this way. Most people ported into action right after death with sickness so enemies won't get any RP for killing you. Population is enough to slightly expand the area again.

There were lots request to at least take the way from homekeep to milegate. We introduced horses some time ago to cut the time for that way. If you are PA'd from horse then thats a different story and is called risk.

fact is group rvr will be less since people will get even faster frustrated after a wipe and leave a group etc etc... and that longer way to action doesnt give a new feeling of expanding or sth, its just a longer way..the action will still be in agramon 90% of the time... and agramon itself is like a 1 year used toothbrush, the whole map just makes me fall asleep when entering.
comeon be flexible just give it a whole change and dont add one after one useless change

if stealthers really complain about not geting RPs while ganking people leaving camp. i see 2 solutions

first (the best one i think) delete the stealthers.

second you give RPs even with sickness, so if people wanna rush with sick, they still give RPs.

i agree that i often ran with sickness to pass the gate were mass stealthers camp and give no RPs to them if they attack me. but the sickness problem seems to be only for that and it seems to be more a solution than a problem ( daoc is not designed to camp a gate without risk and farm RPs without fun)

with groups usually sickness is over when you buffed. some can rerush after wipe if fight is close to camp , but that gives an advantage to kill the camp campers. (so one more good point for the old situation)

" yeah but camp reduce teh rvr are"
come on be serious, we dont fight in agramon, we fight in amg/hmg area... there is enough room in agra to fight.

without camp we'll fight in amg/hmg area but just one or 2 times before logging out or going thidranki.

i think this new idea is even worse than the relic idea. but that's still my opinion and if there were so many ask on german forum, i must be wrong.

Blue wrote:

panachier wrote:i read somewhere that blue got a 99% whining resist, let's say it's bad luck and they hit you critically.

I did not finally decide it. But see it this way. Most people ported into action right after death with sickness so enemies won't get any RP for killing you. Population is enough to slightly expand the area again.

There were lots request to at least take the way from homekeep to milegate. We introduced horses some time ago to cut the time for that way. If you are PA'd from horse then thats a different story and is called risk.

Speaking of horses...

When will riding behavoir be fixed?

I refer to problems like dropping out of speed/from horse, riding stealthed etc.

like Speed of the realm you dont loose your speed/horse, when enemy attacks you and misses or you ressist something. Players wont even be dropped when CCed. At least i observed something similar with my eld.

@ pana, we dont kill you while rvr-sick for rps, we kill you for fun.

I think is a good and bad change .

Bad for more time to reach rvr zone.

Good (from my pov) because enemies cant kite to camp (groups) or run into guards and evoid combat. Who walks into RvR zone should expect the worse with no guards to defend them. If u like camping , go camp a keep or tower.

other thing to cahnge too is the fact that pet doesn't follow on horse or boat so pet owners are easy kill when disembarking.

Ps @ runis yeah i know you try to find fun where you can...you don't play for RPs but for challenge i read ^^ ( i should have done a printscreen)

Did you ever notice people having to sit in the camp waiting for the rvr illness to expire? That's exactly the time that was once invented (yes, on live) as break-timer. During that time you can move into the RvR area again.

So running or riding instead of sitting and waiting for nothing, where is the difference?

Panach are you serious? You logged out after reading the changelog without thinking about it? You want to get whole classic classes removed?

usually you got not sickness when you go solo in rvr, cause you charge, you buff, you recharge items, you cast your pet, you chat a bit....

nayru imagine the situation... a poor cabi charging, buffing, waiting for sickness, porting, riding horse and 2 ubber stealthers on the horse way that you can't avoid ( with camp and gate you still can take other gate, sprint over the wall or anything...) attack you. usually you would use your moc2 jugernaut3 kill them and /laugh at them cause you are ubber...

but there you lost 5 minutes and didnt get any fun. you just have to wait 5 more minutes or loggout... i choosed to loggout before that happened. as i always do and lot of people do when were not able to port to camp cause enemies took your keep.

but if it's a solution to bring more people in the BGs that are more and more empty, why not.. but maybe its not the best way

edit:

So running or riding instead of sitting and waiting for nothing, where is the difference?

an important difference is that you have to stay front of computer watching a char riding a horse in place of making a break to smoke a cigaret or take a bier ( if it's your solution to fight alcool and tobaco it's your choice , but maybe not the best way )

Ever heard of boats pana?

nice change no more waiting and waiting for people to grow some guts to move out of camp area woot


ps. PA/BS people on horses are HARD - hell speed 5 is hard enough

panachier wrote:i choosed to loggout before that happened. as i always do and lot of people do when were not able to port to camp cause enemies took your keep.

With such attitude there will never be good RvR instead organizing and reclaim the keep or just defend it better before its claimed by the enemy.

See the facts, Agramon is more a BG with the camps on all sides than a part of large scale RvR.

so maybe create a bg 50 for the people that don't care about keeps, zerg , relic etc...

personnaly i have fun in having fight vs enemies, in solo/small group/8vs8/ groups followed by other groups ...

but waiting for hours to build a zerg, moving from one map to another one with boat, waiting the one that disembark on the way, going to pick up the one that werent able to disembark, bashing a gate, fighting shrooms and finally kill the lord cause enemies logged out cause it's 1 am and they work tomorrow...i don't get any fun in it.

i like the BG way to be but the problem is that in BGs the enemies miss skill and you can't get high rank, and finally you'll have to go in NF...