Elwin wrote:albion comunity is completly differrent than mid .. i doubt it will happen, but who knows

In time you will surely see "stop adding" broadcast from them, for the moment it cant be done:

Sonnenschein wrote:Most times I try to run with a group of 8 but our guild is not completely 50 so no chance to build a guildgroup yet.

but who knows maybe they understood already that they cant or are unable to play alone on this server anymore ...

I've take my time reading all of this topic, but i want to say something too:

Yes, we lack in organization and we lack in motivation, i've checked the ally page and seen many times more than 20 lv 50 online, but just a few of them in the frontiers

I've read so many times in broad the phrase "lfg agra" like there would be only that

Personaly, i try to help in rvr when i can and when i've got time, expecially when we have to take back our relic, but i've seen a lot of people who prefere going to thid or roaming in agra, just because they need rp

At the moment i'm quite busy in ending my tp, just missing 2 bracers, but not because i'm not full capped i don't go to frontiers

4 me the problem is the selfishness of the people

(not to mention the lack of casters XD, i'm running even a 22 runemaster, but even if i would be higer i don't think that i could compete with the alb's or hib's casters)

i think that we need more powerful casters, (not to mention the implementation of the bonedancer's one U_U)


Ah, just another thing: i've seen a try to move the people to the frontiers from the dragon (when the dr finished) but not much of them have gone. If we stayed in the bg and move with a bit of coordination we coul have done great, we were more than 40 peolpe, and not under the 45 lv...

thats what you get when you ignore grouping casters for 3 years+ because they are "gimped". people roll a tank/healer to be part of a group.

payback is a ******

Runis wrote:

Elwin wrote:albion comunity is completly differrent than mid .. i doubt it will happen, but who knows

In time you will surely see "stop adding" broadcast from them, for the moment it cant be done:

You have never played in Albion and you just don't understand the difference between Midgard and Albion. The community is a 100% different and much more peaceful. In Albion are many more friendly people who really help you leveling, farming drops, etc.
You need two parties to make fight, one to start and another to react.

Esme wrote:lol so true Runis


btw. this handfull of high rr ppl who left Midgard wouldnt have saved us
against that 6 fg Albzerg last night either^^

You can count those "handfull of high rr ppl" twice, they didn't only leave Midgard, they did also join Albion.

Oh, and speaking about being high RR and not getting anywhere... look at top ten active Midgard players, when was the last time they won a fight, fair and square?

@Topic:
Midgard needs good casters - true. Midgard also needs good supporters. The biggest advantage of Midgard are it's supporters. Shaman is the big pain in the ass disease bot; Healer is the best CC class in game, due to also being main heal class. A mezzed Wizzard does no damage, you know.

You have never played in Albion and you just don't understand the difference between Midgard and Albion. The community is a 100% different and much more peaceful. In Albion are many more friendly people who really help you leveling, farming drops, etc.
You need two parties to make fight, one to start and another to react.

that's not true, they are good people on mid like on alb and that's true there are much more assholes on both side... i can't talk about hib but i suppose it must be the same... no really reason to be different

hmm play now maybe 4 weeks midgard and the comunity is really sick !!!
before played on hib there was it a littlebit better but bad !
played a few days on alb ,there was no prob to find grp´s
getting equip or something else.

but when i see in wilton that shamans dosent know what are spec buffs
or which char need wich spec buff ,i dont have fun with them to go out
of the pk .
some healer dosent know what is cele
they buff it in the pk and means thats an constantly buff

ok everybody has anytime started but with lvl 40
it must be possible to know what the char does


and to the 8vs8 fraktion
when they like to play it let them
the flaming in broad breaks mid completely down
if u let them having fun with this 8vs8
maybe (still i know it) they help
with raids and something like that

sorry for the ****** english
but i think mostly will understand it

night

Night wrote:hmm play now maybe 4 weeks midgard and the comunity is really sick !!!
before played on hib there was it a littlebit better but bad !
played a few days on alb ,there was no prob to find grp´s
getting equip or something else.

but when i see in wilton that shamans dosent know what are spec buffs
or which char need wich spec buff ,i dont have fun with them to go out
of the pk .
some healer dosent know what is cele
they buff it in the pk and means thats an constantly buff

ok everybody has anytime started but with lvl 40
it must be possible to know what the char does


and to the 8vs8 fraktion
when they like to play it let them
the flaming in broad breaks mid completely down
if u let them having fun with this 8vs8
maybe (still i know it) they help
with raids and something like that

sorry for the ****** english
but i think mostly will understand it

night

There are a lot of players that start play daoc here in uthgard and they dont know all game.

Night wrote:hmm play now maybe 4 weeks midgard and the comunity is really sick !!!

Yeah we are really sick must be the cold weather there /cough /sniff /sneeze...

Night wrote:before played on hib there was it a littlebit better but bad !

I also play hib now and then and i must say the majority of ppl is
just as nice as they are in all realms.

Night wrote:but when i see in wilton that shamans dosent know what are spec buffs
or which char need wich spec buff ,i dont have fun with them to go out
of the pk .
some healer dosent know what is cele
they buff it in the pk and means thats an constantly buff

ok everybody has anytime started but with lvl 40
it must be possible to know what the char does

You find ppl like that in every realm

When i read:

Anyways in Midgard I got the most RP's with 8on8 and I will do most of my RP's in Albion with 8on8 (beside the RR i got in BG's since BG is always zerg - cannot change this)


I can only laugh. Most of the RPs is by ganking Groups smaller/weaker than 8 :>
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Its a fact and a matter of probabilities...
Simple Model example.
Imagination Each realm has 8 groups. group1=solo, group2=duo, ... group8=FG.
A 1v1 kills give u roughly 1000RP. Scale it to 8v8 -> 1000RP for a 8v8 Fight. Imagine the chances to meet a group8 is as high as meeting group1,2,..7.

Lets say u make killingspree run and kill all enemies - you are simple awesome

8v8 -> 2000RP
8v7 -> 2000RP *7/8 = 1750RP
8v6 -> 2000RP *6/8 = 1500RP
8v4 -> 2000RP *4/8 = 1000RP
8v3 -> 2000RP *3/8 = 750RP
8v2 -> 2000RP *2/8 = 500RP
8v1 -> 2000RP *1/8 = 250RP
TOTAL RPS = 7750RP
8v8 Share = roughly 25%

In this model system: only 25% of the RPs are gained in 8v8 - not even talking about equal 8v8 fights.
75% of the RPs is gained by ganking - killing the fun of all the other groups.

This model made some approximations:

- you kill em all xD
- RPs are scaled
- chances are equal to meet fg and soloer etc. Infact FGs take longer to buff reorganize etc. While duos trios .. buff faster and are faster on their way to their next wipe.
....

Funny isnt it ??
NO just for the FG's. But thanks for reminding us that ZERGING kills the fun. Talking about Fun another example..

In the same model system:

24 people have fun doing 8v8.
21+18+15+12+9+6+3 = 84 are getting ganked by FG.. So lets say they have less fun.

84 >> 24 (8v8 community) ... FUNNY?


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But yes call it 8v8, where you made the RPs xD

I am soooo offtopic.!!

I dont think a forum discussion helps alot. Its about people in Midgard and should be discussed iG. Most of them dont even read Forum.

Greetz
Nes

You forgot the fact of fairness... I'm not the one shouting KILL HIM HE IS SOLO...

I'm the one telling... leave it he is solo lets ignore him...

But ok I cannot garant for my whole group that this is done every time.

I know u think we are the #1 Sologankers...

And your example is nice but u never have such a constellation of groups + the fact we did not run with a skald very often made us not able to catch any bard+ X duo, trio etc.
+ Small groups like to camp Milegates u can not enter etc.

You forget that a group of 5,6,7 can stand a group of 8 if they play well... (and as u try to mention here: we are gimps so it should be possible, right?)

So it's always different.

Ok sure some RP's you will always make with killing smaller groups... but you are always throwing with stones in your glashouse... could you just stop this?

From my point of view I would also join a 8on8 zone even if I would not make 1 RP for killing enemys...

Calienta: I never said i do fair RvR, infact i believe there is no fairness after all.

And when i throw stones i hope to hit :>

I referred my example to a Model System. That system occurs when people DARE to go out when FG is roaming. The reality is different. You gank em once or twice and they are gone! =) Sounds better for you ?

Tough there are some persistent smallgroups - f.i. myself! And of course i add any 8v8 to return a favour :> Maybe it kills 8v8 but killing 8v8 only means, the rest of us can have some more fun.

And besides when Duos got ganked by FG all the time and still go out to find some appropriate enemies. FGs can do the same? Getting ganked by FG+adders.. well maybe next time u find only the FG?

I personally just dont like people claiming to be fair - since there enouhg examples wher they behave anything else than fair.

If you really wanna make a change? Start sparing weak /small target?
But will you spare are a group of 4,5,6,7, when u are 8 ? Guess NOT =)
But hey thank you for sparing some of your TS/IRC friends when they solo around. That really motitivates us and you can keep your I-AM-FAIR-MEDAL. Isnt it great =) No its awesome

Sorry for pulling this offtopic.

Greetz
Nes

What is the pleasure of gaming here for you? Annoy other players? I think you should invest more time in playing or reporting bugs or whatelse than in thinking about how to show other players that their oppinion is wrong...

Maybe the oppinion is wrong yeah but you cannot change it.

I realised this for myself... live and let die.. ^^


And sure I dont mind meeting a fg + adders all the time if there is a chance of getting decent inc aswell... but as u can see u pulled ppl (your enemys) out of Agramon in some times - where was the fun for them?(in fact many ppl told ya in other topics - not only high rr skilled 8on8 pwners... *normal* players admitted their opinion aswell)

I dont claim to be fair after all I just think about what I can do to make it more fair?

Yep thats my weak point - i love argueing. I like not just droping phrases but to bring some prove. It would be nice if more people would bring some reasonable arguments instead of just droping empty words or non-sense flames.


If i find bugs i report em...

Greetz
Nes

hey jrhadden... shame on you, you are bad in math...

you did a huge mistake, if we have a look only at the maths.

the chances to meet a fg is as high as the other groupd, bt you have to half the chances cause ( if we just look maths one more time) the both FG have the same chances to win. so you can tell that on the point of view of the enemy fg that met your fg...

woaw i am really not clear, but you undestood i hope.

btw there is an other thing that can be calculated easily with maths. the human factor.
if solo/duo/trio roam in agra and there are fg. most of the time they'll use small roads to avoid the fg ( let's say that the fg is hib or alb and want 8vs8 and not looking for small group to gank them, and so they use main roads)

other thing is that if you are in a group of 6/7 and you meet fg that is stronger that you, you'll try to find some help.
if you get fg , and fight is fair, you'll run more times ( so the chances increase)
if you don't get help, you loggout

salbei wrote:thats what you get when you ignore grouping casters for 3 years+ because they are "gimped". people roll a tank/healer to be part of a group.

payback is a ******

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...SALBEI ROOOOX

hmm.. ah ok its a normal problem, look 2 years ago albion had only 1 sorc and 2 activ clerics, they understood that they need that classes and they leveled them

look at hib, there were only 2 activ bards, 1 good BM, 1 activ VW and some droods and now?

now midgard has the same problem, they need some casters. they thought that casters are just a useless place in a grp or a "DI Bot", now they have a problem

some grind-months and maybe mid has a better chance in relic/keep fights

sorry for my english -.-

@Nestral, offtopic r0x:
Wenn du wissen willst, wann eine Melone reif ist, dann musst du etwas Druck auf die Schale ausüben, diese muss dann etwas nachgeben. Du kannst aber auch die Melode nach einer gelblich blassen Stelle untersuchen, sollte diese vorhanden sein, dann wurde die Melone reif gepflückt.

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