I have the feeling, midgard suffers since the new rvr system is active.

We have to run long ways to get to agramon
Our lower chars have worser conditions to xp
We have almost no benefiz of the relicts (in fight, xp and crafting)


It seems, other realms have advantages in keepfights, because:

they are better organized
they have more casters
they have more supporters

is this true?

if yes what can we do to bring Midgard ahead?
(condsidering keep raids like dragon raids maybe)

Stahlhagel wrote:- We have to run long ways to get to agramon
- Our lower chars have worser conditions to xp
- We have almost no benefiz of the relicts (in fight, xp and crafting)

- how do you claim this? You can still port to your camp like any other realm.
- see first point
- without relics you get no benefiz

Stahlhagel wrote:It seems, other realms have advances in keepfights, because:

- they are better organized
- they have more casters
- they have more supporters

is this true?

if yes what can we do to bring Midgard ahead?

- be better organized!
- level more casters and supporters and not only tanks.

maybe now midgard realizes that not everything can be wiped with tanks spaming anytimers and only aug healers as supporter. (personal comment)

@wally
if we lost bleed there is no way to port

my intension was to find "specified" solutions, and this post was adressed to mid ppl not to critisize the RVR change.


@phileas
touché
lol

i deleted my post, so no touché any more ^^

Stahlhagel wrote:if yes what can we do to bring Midgard ahead?

Organize big relic raids, like dragonraids.

Stahlhagel wrote:if we lost bleed there is no way to port

Wrong. The Agra-Camp-Porter is in Glenlock Faste and you can always port there.

yes, sorry i mixed up keep names.

I play mid and my opinion about that is: All want be healer, shaman or skald. We only have 3 active casters,4 active sbs, 1or 2 active hunters, rest of people only play savage, warrior, skald, healer and shaman (i mean in agramon). Other players only play in BGs and when they up to level 50 they start other char and never go agramon because they said that they are low rr. Hibernia and Albion play all their clases and do it realy good, they can claim and defend keeps. Mids only can do 8vs8 no more.

About organization when mids did zerg some weeks ago all went agramon. And now i think that all went agrmon only for leech rps. Two days ago we tried do zerg for defend our relik and we build 2 fg (1 fg was levelrs).

Conclusion: Last time mids like noobs.

And if you dont believe me see here:
http://www.uthgard-server.net/modules.p ... pic&t=9717

PREPARATION

some mids notice the danger of keep
they inform the realm via chat
they organize first defend group
If noother invites, healer should do(!)
next step is to create battlechat and broadcast this periodically
defenders should have patience and listen to the advices of the bg leader
if "Team Speak" is used broadcast this, too (ip, channel, password)
ppl join bg and should instant get invite to group or message like we invite you soon
using "sent" is also a good manner to get attension of ppl
fill up your goup on anycases, even low ppl are better than no one.
for recapturing the keep a meetingpoint and time should be broadcast
notice you need sometimes siege weapons, divide this heavy stuff on strong members of the group


BATTLE

don´t foreget to speak to keep´s lord
all defenders should get grouped and move together to point of action
always stick together, don't run away without notifying leaders
create global assist leader for casters and also AL for tanks
casters/healer/bowmen stay on walls/towers
don´t leave healing range!
stealthers should scout and inform immediately of position and strengh of opposing forces (this is important), and use AL, too
second joice for scouting are speed classes
after get killed do /recall

Siege Weapons

Treb install: skill 65 - 95
Ram install : 5- 75

Ram
Siege Beak 1 52.5
Cladding 1 17
Swing Harness 2 69
Ironwood 300 37.5

Treb
Trebuchet Ammo Bucket 1 71
Arm Cushion 1 15
Winding Crank 1 18
Counterweight 1 28
Pivot 1
Ironwood 300 37.5
Unassembled Trebuchet in backpack:
Total Weight: 190


Ballista (armbrustbruder)
Trigger 1
Torsion Cable 2
Spring Arm 1
Gimbal 1
Ironwood 100

Catapult
Ammo Bucket 1 19
Arm Cushion 1 15
Winding Crank 1 18
Counterweight 1 28
Pivot 1
Ironwood 100

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This are basics but most rvr actions fail because of ignoring this..

its a community problem. albs played like that for a long time till enough ppl realized they need propper support/teamplay.you can see these people on the top of the lwrp list frequently now

i know it can be frustrating to run vs organized groups.
good way to fix this is to gather some people you like playing with and try to build a decent grp yourself.

might even start allover together to get a feeling for each other (especially when important classes are missing). just play with "your" grp frequently and you will see improvements in teamplay soon.
good rvr is just a few steps ahead.

things won´t change on their own

Mids only can do 8vs8 no more.

Shall I really comment this? *rofl*


Ok beside my stupid comment:

- You suffered from people leaving the realm because of such things... some behaivor etc. I guess you know what I am talking about (It's just a neutral fact dont wanna say it was anyones fault)

Without being arrogant but you cannot fight the fact that *edn* (or more the players at that time I am talking about) was organised + HighRR too + had a some active playing casters with more or less good RR (Milva, Arin, Leecherina, Klinx [Pestilenzia - but still playing Midgard activly so not really a good example that I can mention here])

So Midgard now faces the same situation as other realms allready did:
- Not many activ highRR's (of course your ally has, but with the inactive ppl. etc. its gotten less than before)
- No real *SG* (other realms do have them or builded them beacuse of this situation)
- Shortage in useable/needed classes with decent RR (casters)
(In Albion there were good/high Clerics missing a long time)

But after all its not so worse. You still got a great pool of players, and as I always mentioned + the biggest amount of activ lvl 50 Agramonplayers because the big alliance was always very social.


But keep in mind:

- XP gotten worse for all realms not only for midgard
- Since Midgard was always the meleerealm, you dont see much casters around. This is a disadvantage in keepfights. But was a big advantage in the open field!!!

- Albion has bad chances to succeed against Hibernia, because you cannot hide the fact, that animists are the No. 1 class to defend a keep)

- And even if Hibernia has many animists it's hard to get a keep with much casters inside, so hard for Hibernia to raid the albionkeep too.

=> So what do they raid? Midgard - there is nearly no good defense.

But in the end, there wont be only Relictkeepraids, there will be other RvR too + I dont think the relict-bonus is sooo mighty that you cant do without.

I agree to most of the involved parties in this thread. It is not the happiest situation to see the relics reside anywhere but not in mid, it is unfortunate to play against a froopabillion of chaincasting shrooms, and it is on the other hand not a big tragedy.

On the other hand I am taking some offense when I read something like "maybe now midgard realizes that not everything can be wiped with tanks spaming anytimers and only aug healers as supporter. (personal comment)". Especially if that comes from an official staff member.

Even labelled as a personal opinion its insulting. I am tempted to quote Dirty Harry. He had a saying about opinions.

well maybe mids should use some thanes and hammer those shrooms down then?

just an idea?

nixian wrote:well maybe mids should use some thanes and hammer those shrooms down then?

just an idea?

/clap

Cali you said 5 names and only 1 player of this is active now, other 2 are Haiden and Phileas no more. And can you say me how many active casters have Hibernia or Albion?
About mids now can do only 8vs8 is true, now we cant organice one zerg for give back Bleed (i dont want talk about relik) , if we cant organice zerg we cant do relik raid, defend one keep or claim one keep. No one play caster or hunter for have distance attack, no one play sb for claimb wall and kill any caster, clerik... Now we only can bring 2 healers, 1 shaman and 5 tanks for do 8vs8.
About decent rr. Dont need hight rr for do rvr. Need people i think that we ever the same people in agramon every days and not only in mid. I know 90% my enemies names. Need new people because if old players need craft or break... who will defend keeps, do relik raids...?
Every day i see mesages in broad: pls take df or pls get back df. The people who do these messages have level 45-49. But when we organice one zerg for take df they prefer go thidranki than help.

MIDGARD ONLY NEED ORGANIZATION.

This is my opinion sorry if you dont like it.

No I agree.

But there must be someone who organise all and push the others.

list updated

this can be organized by ANY ppl.

think: pro midard! and do it!