@Esme: This is not a thread to say bad Middies and it's not a thread to complain about them and about zerg, its just whether you like it or not o.O

Emain was better for zergs since the outnumbering of the Mids was not so bad for Alb/Hib, because they had better chances to camp in a keep.

And as Esme told much more places to hide & and more tactically points (in Agra you have just the open field and the milegates but no one likes campers there because a zerg would just go and get the tower and run them over (was not like this as you could camp in keeps that well)

Elaeli wrote:the difference is, when you are solo/duo/whatever, you can easily form a fg. when you are a fg, you CAN'T easily form a zerg.
sorry, but not every realm has enough players for 4fg zergage every evening.

Albion have enought players for do 4fg zerg, but all these players ever play en braemar, wilton and thidranki. If albs will stop play in perfect setup and join new players for their group and use random setup, they will can do something.

Maybe they don't want to ?

At least on hib many people don't want to play in zergs, and not only the "high rr elite", but I also see some players who reached 50 one week ago with their first char that prefer to play in smaller groups and are already ****** off by such zergs.

So I don't know if you think that every new/low rr player wants to play with 4 random setup fgs or wtf but at least it's not the case on hib.

Sonnenschein wrote:I'm against zerg since the playeramount in Agramon is not that big and I think the map is not the best for it.

If a zerg runs in Agramon there is no way to avoid.

Would be nice if all kinds of rvr could exist beside each other at one time.
(Solo, Smallgroups, 8on8, smaller zergs)

You can easly avoid zerg. If mid zerg vs hib zerg are fighting just go to the hibside gates and wait for some solo coming to join zerg, or some solo released and kill him^


Personally I often saw 1 fg mid vs 1 fg hib while another fg mid were running in agramon and 4 albs were running in exp spots+ some stealthers solo.

The hib fg killed the mid low rr fg and then got killed by other mid group. I fought many times with stealthers and 4albs farmed us sometime

So actually there can be solo+smallgroup+8men togheter. And if the low rr mid group would have taken some other people to fight the hib fg there would be also your "small zerg"

Hedra wrote:Maybe they don't want to ?

At least on hib many people don't want to play in zergs, and not only the "high rr elite", but I also see some players who reached 50 one week ago with their first char that prefer to play in smaller groups and are already ****** off by such zergs.

So I don't know if you think that every new/low rr player wants to play with 4 random setup fgs or wtf but at least it's not the case on hib.

In mid we run with random setup. We can run with 2 shamans and without healers. One shaman and 1 healer or with stealthers in group. And with random setup we can do good job but if lose we lose and we will try do it better. Albs and hibs ever run in perfect setup or dont go argramon.
If als and hibs will start inv other people their problems will be finish.

And about random setup for low rr players. If they want up their rr they must play all what they can, random setup or perfect setup. But no start cry because they died and go BGs.

I don't think they play to up their rr but to enjoy the rvr how they like it. And you won't force them to play a way they dislike.
And stop talking about perfect setup because we need a bard and druid in every group -_-

^^ @Hedra

And I still dont loose the feeling Midgard is not thinking about "New" Players, they just wanna win.

This can be proofed by the statement of Rotbart one time: With this random group we won't win. - I really thought wtf he fool me? No in this case he meant it for real.

So don't "gloryfy" yourself as the best & nicest ally / players.

Even this hard realmfight really shows that. But DaoC is not to win, DaoC is having fun - that's what you told so often... (I get the feeling this was just a pretext for everything - you wanted to say: It's only fun if we do win)

btw. why can't we stay ON topic?

So do you like zergs or not?

no

Of course not!!!

vangonaj wrote:In mid we run with random setup. We can run with 2 shamans and without healers. One shaman and 1 healer or with stealthers in group. And with random setup we can do good job but if lose we lose and we will try do it better. Albs and hibs ever run in perfect setup or dont go argramon.
If als and hibs will start inv other people their problems will be finish.

Dunno why u're talking about our problems being finished if inviting other people, cause our problem is not to find a group with good setup(usually), our problem is when a mid zerg suddenly appears rushing agra and killing all the fun hibs/albs and also sometimes other mids are having while doing good rvr.

my opinion is simple...
mid zerg, hibb zerg too, the problem is that they zerg in a different time :

albion??
i just say: i hope the albion big boss ( they know for shure at who i m speaking too) will let me know when they will pay money to rent tha agra map. then i will just let my chars become dusty and live on for braemar..

i just have enough of that: go away, dont foollow us and dont leach..

but untill that time, i will have fun in agra with my guild and all the friendly and polite realm mate on the server, and dont worry, we just run where we feel to go.
back to ... zerg?
well, we use to log after the third time we die, or we carry on and look for peoples that run alone or loose stick

for me, all are free to do what they feel, i dont have problem with zerg, me and my guild we are climbing the herald anywhay with or withouth zerg
long live to uthgard

xex wrote:Of course not!!!

vangonaj wrote:In mid we run with random setup. We can run with 2 shamans and without healers. One shaman and 1 healer or with stealthers in group. And with random setup we can do good job but if lose we lose and we will try do it better. Albs and hibs ever run in perfect setup or dont go argramon.
If als and hibs will start inv other people their problems will be finish.

Dunno why u're talking about our problems being finished if inviting other people, cause our problem is not to find a group with good setup(usually), our problem is when a mid zerg suddenly appears rushing agra and killing all the fun hibs/albs and also sometimes other mids are having while doing good rvr.

/clap

xex wrote:Of course not!!!

vangonaj wrote:In mid we run with random setup. We can run with 2 shamans and without healers. One shaman and 1 healer or with stealthers in group. And with random setup we can do good job but if lose we lose and we will try do it better. Albs and hibs ever run in perfect setup or dont go argramon.
If als and hibs will start inv other people their problems will be finish.

Dunno why u're talking about our problems being finished if inviting other people, cause our problem is not to find a group with good setup(usually), our problem is when a mid zerg suddenly appears rushing agra and killing all the fun hibs/albs and also sometimes other mids are having while doing good rvr.

We havent problems and we dont cry^^

vangonaj wrote:

xex wrote:Of course not!!!

vangonaj wrote:In mid we run with random setup. We can run with 2 shamans and without healers. One shaman and 1 healer or with stealthers in group. And with random setup we can do good job but if lose we lose and we will try do it better. Albs and hibs ever run in perfect setup or dont go argramon.
If als and hibs will start inv other people their problems will be finish.

Dunno why u're talking about our problems being finished if inviting other people, cause our problem is not to find a group with good setup(usually), our problem is when a mid zerg suddenly appears rushing agra and killing all the fun hibs/albs and also sometimes other mids are having while doing good rvr.

We havent problems and we dont cry^^

Sure u don't, im not talking about u're problems im talking about ours, and those aren't what u said before. Did u understand anything of this thread from the begining?

Stay on topic plz and and also try to be observativ / objectif,
emoticons arent really necessary and totally not objective, the word says it emoticon emotions...

and who talked about cry , nobody really . All i want is share every1 opinions without getting this thread closed from folks who cant stay objective.

Keep going all points of view are acceptable as long as it's objective!

have a nice day

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