so between 6th and 16th of january people also left because of mids?
and after that the population miraculously rose to 465?

keep on dreaming your dreams salbei, seems that at least there you're happy

btw this:

Cespx wrote:I think it's the MAIN reason why they make 3-4 fgs zerg then
Just stop this waney topic. It will get warmer soon, many mids will leave and because hib (mostly) population is rather stable they will start zerging.

is what i mean
there is 95% smallgrp and fg rvr in agramon from mids, and all you guys can do is cry about the remaining 5% when there are more than 1 fg?
seriously, get yourself a hobby ^^

at least you admit that your realm would do it too

anyways, that was the last you heard from me in this topic, this is getting old ^^

It looks like I only play in these 5%, what a bad luck ^^

- Zerg is: running with more than 8 man
- noone cares about solos/duos getting ganked by 8-mans
- noone cares about solos/duos/groups roaming on their own and adding to 8v8 fights by chance
- noone cares about REALLY weak groups sticking 2 or 3 ppl more to be able to compete

The problem that should be discussed and solved:
alb/hib are running 8-mans, mids bring a 3fg stickzerg out of nowhere, completely unprovocated. Those 3 fg could also run seperated, giving the alb/hib 8-mans 3 more groups to fight.
They choose not to. Now alb/hib have to log or form a counter-zerg.

ALL hib zergs I've witnessed were reactive. Not once have I seen an unprovocated hib zerg. No, taking a keep with 2fg if there are no enemies and then disbanding the zerg doesn't count.

Here's the question for mid: why the hell do you stickzerg?

The only conclusion alb/hib can come to is: they want easy rps, don't care about the other realms, don't want to l2p. Please enlighten us on your motives, mids. Hint: it's impossible to give a valid reason.

Any argument of weak groups and helping low RR players is negated by always having a high RR grp that can easily compete with the best alb/hib grps with the zerg. This leaves no room for fair fights, it's plain and simple rolling over outnumbered enemies.
Any argument of alb/hib zerging is invalid. Those realms do NOT stickzerg unprovocated. Yes, getting added and losing is just plain bad luck and not a zerg, try again. But wait - you don't even try ONCE, you just stick directly.
Argumenting with "Midgard has united, it was uniting or fall.", what the hell? There is NOTHING to lose, you realize that? Yeah no, srsly, stop with that pseudo-RP bullshit, and don't argue with live-server population when we got 1/10 of live-rvr numbers. Yeah, mid can muster 3-4fg regularily, alb/hib cant. 8 man is the size of choice on low-pop servers. Building a zerg is a BIT more difficult than stocking up a 4-man to a fg.

How about you admit already that there's a crapton of carebears in the NJ ally that don't want to run in a fg on their own and are afraid of losing? They won't get better players by zerging. How about that the high RRs enjoy getting easy rps by simply rolling over the enemy, having the weak groups as a health-buffer and thus rarely dying themselves? How about the high RRs don't want to embarass themselves by having to play on even grounds against other groups, where the outcome is decided by their skills instead of pure numbers?

That's the only way I can look at the current situation. Feel free to prove me wrong by not zerging.


Anyway, for starters, try to explain to me why you stickzerg off the bat instead of running seperate groups, will ya? <-- hint: this is the important part of this post.


And yes, population is dropping. It's just not as obvious, because there have been a lot of new players recently, and some are just twinking instead of playing their mains in Agra. People ARE logging off when there is mid zerg. Lots of hibs do not enjoy zerg-rvr.

Amen.
/clap

Elaeli wrote:Lots of hibs do not enjoy zerg-rvr.

so true - even a lot of hibs dont like to add

seen a FG hibs stand back and watch other hibs fight instead of steamrolling the alb grp

hmm

to be honest.. I dont see any difference between guys running in a fg ganking solos and a zerg killing fgs^^.

But hey, i have to admit:

- i dont have skills
- i do have little rr
- i love to zerg some 8v8 community guys ^^
- and above all , i can only speak for myself.


Greetz
Nes

jrhadden wrote:to be honest.. I dont see any difference between guys running in a fg ganking solos and a zerg killing fgs^^.

Elaeli wrote:Building a zerg is a BIT more difficult than stocking up a 4-man to a fg.

....

come on nest not you... you are not stupid.

oki i'll try to explain you.

imagine. there is a fg mid fighting vs a fg alb in agramon. a friendly cabalist come around on the hill near the trees spot and he met the mid group ( oki mids have nothing to do there around except leeching some free RPs , but that's oki). the cabbi jump around, got /mhug /laugh by mids and is killed after landing a ae snare just to ****** up mids.

but the fg mid has a reason to be around.

now imagine 2 fg mids sticked around and so they meet a fg alb, they kick them out ( with the usual /laugh /rude) and so the alb loggout.

there is no reason to bring a zerg around cause there is no enemies to compete with them.

in the first case the solo kill is just a lost bullet in a war. in the second case that's just a genocid.

i hope you understand better now. but i am sure you already knew, but that was just an excuse to explain your way to act.

panachier wrote:@vangonaj

yeah stupid low albs, they should run around and give RPs to the strong group that runs around.

Mids for no give rps for hight alb and hib group do zerg, albs and hibs for no give rps zerg soloers. Its the same 16vs8 and 4vs1.

Elaeli wrote:- Zerg is: running with more than 8 man

Hmm 8vs8 is not zerg.
9vs8 is zerg.
And what is 7vs1??????????? Im mid i cant understand it. You said that zerg is more than 8. 7 isn´t more than 8, but only 1 enemy, uffffffff mmmmmmmmmm hmmmmmmmm realy hard for undestand i think

7 vs 1 ... that smells like killing the stealther who always adds... play stealther and face ur role

vangonaj wrote:

Elaeli wrote:- Zerg is: running with more than 8 man

Hmm 8vs8 is not zerg.
9vs8 is zerg.
And what is 7vs1??????????? Im mid i cant understand it. You said that zerg is more than 8. 7 isn´t more than 8, but only 1 enemy, uffffffff mmmmmmmmmm hmmmmmmmm realy hard for undestand i think

Elaeli wrote:- Zerg is: running with more than 8 man
- noone cares about solos/duos getting ganked by 8-mans
- noone cares about solos/duos/groups roaming on their own and adding to 8v8 fights by chance
- noone cares about REALLY weak groups sticking 2 or 3 ppl more to be able to compete

Elaeli wrote:

jrhadden wrote:to be honest.. I dont see any difference between guys running in a fg ganking solos and a zerg killing fgs^^.

Elaeli wrote:Building a zerg is a BIT more difficult than stocking up a 4-man to a fg.

....

lol, this is getting ridiculous. if this keeps up i'll end up getting banned for personal insults. and fined IRL on top of it.

Eleali: You said its easy to go update from 4 player group to a FG. Open your eyes! Well it is obviously not that easy to build 1 FG. Otherwise we would have much more FGs in Agramon. At the moment its just the usual Players. If it would be that easy, there would be much more Random groups outside. But guesss what, when people start running around with their usual fixed groups, random people dont like to bother at all.
And there are times when it is not possible to build a FG for a certain realm, when others have already FG outside (depends on the hour).


Well sometimes it needs more than 2-3 people in addition to a FG to compete =). Its about the definition of weak.

If u want a change i suggest dont always run around in fixed groups. Form something random, so that people can beat u after all. U still can get a better setup when it is needed*. But just like some people go out with 2 FG without reason (as you claim) , others run around in perfect groups without reason ( as i claim).

How can someone accuse the ZERG: You only Zerg because u dont wanna loose. And on the other hand always run in perfect groups in order not* to loose?

Start trying gimping around abit, and maybe more people will join agra. Take some new people into your groups. Or put in some twinks. Maybe people wont need to go as 2FG.

Its not a mid attitude thinga, its a community reaction. You think something is wrong in the lands of mids? Have u taken a look into Albion/Hib?. Why is agramon so empty ( 4 FG as its best compared with the amount of level 50s ).

Albion for example: People dont go Agramon due to these fixed groups, and rather do alot of PvM, cause they already gave up. Mids on the other hand build zergs instead? Change starts with yourself Go ahead, have a try and maybe in 2 month of honest gimping ...


But the map has its points. It plainly sucks! I want good NF Emain back. I loved that map. Room for Soloer, Smallgroups, Xper, Zerg, and weakrealms could defend within good located Towers (Crim T2^^). Alot more tactical options due the water and different bridges. I would like to see that map again instead. Or something like that. Agramon doesnt support more then 1FG in each Realm..

VOTE NF EMAIN!


Cu in some RvR Zone
Greetz
Nes


ps. Eleali can u drop a list of your mainchars ? I would like to know, when i gank you^^

vangonaj wrote:

Elaeli wrote:- Zerg is: running with more than 8 man

Hmm 8vs8 is not zerg.
9vs8 is zerg.
And what is 7vs1??????????? Im mid i cant understand it. You said that zerg is more than 8. 7 isn´t more than 8, but only 1 enemy, uffffffff mmmmmmmmmm hmmmmmmmm realy hard for undestand i think

Go and play a support, if u chose to play stealther or solo orientated char u should already know what would happen when soloing, if I'd played it I'd know(I have played some times infi) and don't complain about it cause it's normal to happen that a group of chars see u and gank u. That's not the problem here, and if u're comparing zerging with such a stupid thing... lol better stay quiet

jrhadden wrote:Well sometimes it needs more than 2-3 people in addition to a FG to compete =). Its about the definition of weak.

I totaly agree with you. We finally need to end this s**t with fg vs fg up. It obvious everyone wants to win so if there is so called "fixed" fg nobody will flame about low rr ppl creating 10-11 ppl grp. It would mean fun for both sides.

So Nes, do it and have fun!

But on ther hand we've got situation where mids create 2/3/4 fgs zerg (depending on online ppl) for nothing. Lets be honest, it has nothing to do with "i'm low i want equal fights" explanation... You just want to gank everything without even a small chance to lose. Maybe it's time to think it over? Such a behaviour destroys fun for albs/hibs. Who wants to be ganked over and over? It also ends fun for you cause after you take all towers and keep, there is nothing to do...

So Nes again, give it a try! Maybe you will see then it's not that bad?!
Cespx