First of all I think this flaming thing has to be stopped - from both sides.

And i think both sides need to think about how the other side sees the situation.

The one side wants to have just fun - no matter how.

The other one gets the fun out of showing their skill in beating the enemy in a "fair" fight.

Maybe you could solve the problem with "not adding" in situations where it would get a 8 vs 16. Sometimes its not so bad if 1-3 players add in a fight - but a whole fg... I think all players know what most times happens: The enemys just log out (because they dont wanna "zerg" or dont get the same amount of players)

If both parties would respect the other opinions - maybe flaming would stop - but this always starts with yourself! Keep that in mind!

this has been the big problem for years now, some ppl having no life, playing the game for years, using the server as is it their own, having high rr chars in every realm and no loyalty to any of those realms..

they play with their friends, in their perfect grp, thinking they rule the world, they change realm if they think they will have more fun there, even an event is not sacred... just as long as they have fun...

if someone has the courage to spoil the fun, they react hard and mostly unpolite, chasing others away from agra, but on the other hand, those guys are the ones posting treads to nerf bg, lure new prey into rvr...

oh yeah, before flaming gets on his horse... i know i'm not very active in agra, but that doesn't mean i don't know how things are over there... the things i mentionned are the things that made me decide to stop going to (emain) agra... and now, two years later, nothing has changed, it even got worse...

six months ago i had the nerve to ask for a playground for those uber 1337 grps, so normal people who have some kind of a life, and play a few hours a day would get a chance to have some fun on this nice server...
a few weeks later we got the bg's changed as they are now.. well, at this moment, a lot of players are growing out of thid an fed to the lions...

so what will staff do with them...
let 30 or so players rule the server and telling what all the rest should do? or take actions and let the other 270 or so have some fun too?

it has been a problem for years, time to do something abouth it..

i quote myselve: rotten apples in the basket...
oh well, never mind, it's not even my problem, just hate to see guildies hit 50 and start a twink cause agra sux big time...

i'm sure other guild leadres feel the same..

just my 2 cents

this has been the big problem for years now, some ppl having no life, playing the game for years, using the server as is it their own, having high rr chars in every realm and no loyalty to any of those realms..

they play with their friends, in their perfect grp, thinking they rule the world, they change realm if they think they will have more fun there, even an event is not sacred... just as long as they have fun...

if someone has the courage to spoil the fun, they react hard and mostly unpolite, chasing others away from agra, but on the other hand, those guys are the ones posting treads to nerf bg, lure new prey into rvr...

oh yeah, before flaming gets on his horse... i know i'm not very active in agra, but that doesn't mean i don't know how things are over there... the things i mentionned are the things that made me decide to stop going to (emain) agra... and now, two years later, nothing has changed, it even got worse...

six months ago i had the nerve to ask for a playground for those uber 1337 grps, so normal people who have some kind of a life, and play a few hours a day would get a chance to have some fun on this nice server...
a few weeks later we got the bg's changed as they are now.. well, at this moment, a lot of players are growing out of thid an fed to the lions...

so what will staff do with them...
let 30 or so players rule the server and telling what all the rest should do? or take actions and let the other 270 or so have some fun too?

it has been a problem for years, time to do something abouth it..

i quote myselve: rotten apples in the basket...
oh well, never mind, it's not even my problem, just hate to see guildies hit 50 and start a twink cause agra sux big time...

i'm sure other guild leadres feel the same..

just my 2 cents

roflidijippiejayho

so funny to read such a statement from one who is playing here for years...sounds like some rp leecher, who is not able to compete...

i ve been playing for just about one year and looked at the situation and just can laugh about such statements...

you talk bout fun for "adders" ?

so fun ist being farmed in agramon, without any chance ? not having any knowledge of grp setups, running with random grps, no sc, no skill ? and feeding the enemy with rps the whole day ?

you call this "FUN" that is prevented from those few people you judge here (saying they have no life and high rr chars in every realm.... ?

so funny....

i played live server for years and must admit i started here as kinda noob, but tried to make my way and in some way it was possible (~7 mio rps in a year)

the problem is not adding in general but how ppl do that !

i know there is some kind of rule to prohibite ppl from leeching others exp, so why there is no rule that prohibites ppl from leeching rps from others ?

where is the difference between hitting mobs of other players to leech exp, from hitting enemies that you cant beat on your own to leech rps ?

for me its just the same !!

its absolutely no problem if SOME enemies add fights, stealthers and solo leeches never, as well as small grps, but grps that never stand a chance vs. the enemy running and just adding to leech some rps really suck in my eyes !!

has nothing to do with fairness, thats just a kinda playstyle that should be prohibited, like leeching exp in pvm...same standard !

its not about 8vs8, cuz the good grps on this server almost always face much more than 8 enemies and it should be no problem to deal with it, but the attitude that those proffesional adders have is just kinda wrong....(not being able to kill a ******, so add others fights, in hib we have the pretty worst example running...hes a solo addking)

you will always face 2 grps of players..the good ones, seeking for a challenge and the casual ones just looking for some fun (however this is defined..) . why touch the others and destroy their fun ? cuz thats what you talked bout...the fun...! so adder leeches should have fun adding fights they can never win and skilled players cant have it, cuz of adders ?

this discussion is sooo senseless...and old...and will never change...even in the short time i play here....(and i dont even count myself to the good players, even if statistic may show something else...)

RvR means everyone of one realm against everyone of other realms.
You can't forbid players to participate, no matter how much you want to.

The game is not designed for hitting other people's mobs in order to leech xp, but it's designed for fighting together as a realm against your enemies.

This is the main idea of RvR and the main idea of uthgard as far as i know.
Don't blame other people for your own fault to be not able to understand the server concept.

i'm a long time now on this server and this adding problem never changed. it's even worste. if i read all this comments here i'm afraid it will not be better anytime.
So if you don't like the daily adding-talkshow on broadcast, just ignore it.

let's move on adding

agree^^

I really ask myself why its so difficult for both sides to understand each other?

All are just talking about "HighRR-Pro's" vs "Normal Players" - as far as I see there is no big difference between if I look at Esme or Holzmichel who are "High RR" (and must be counted to all the "pro's" aswell)

This thread is going to be as senseless as all the others to this kind of topic.

Bring the discussion to another level or I will just close it.

Well...in my opinion those players who cry "no-add plz" and talk about 8 vs 8 only are those who are just greedy and dont want to share the arpees with their realmmates. I for myself dont think i deserve to be called a "stupid adder" when i run around solo and get ganked by fgs and just pay them back. The other point is that it just sucks to run around, see enemys killed by some players and you continue the search for enemys...without success...and you log... or add to have at least some action. When players go to agramon they expect to fight something. In BGs its absolutely no problem...even greys may join group and lvl up very fast. Not possible in agramon.

Why? Because players want perfect setups. Why? because they dont want to die. No one does...but why does this matter in agramon but not in the bgs? Because many 50s think agramon is the professional BG where dieing is not just dieing but spending rps. In bgs it doesnt matter. In fact in the bgs there is chaos...and in chaos you just cant often determine who has lost or not. In fact you dont care in bgs and just attack again...perfect setup or not. If you got some sups you are lucky. When you are lucky in agramon you have supps or dont even start rvr because all want perfect setups, because loosing is not cool.

I for myself dont care much about dieing. It might be frustrating sometimes but this is a part of rvr...and in the end I get what i want anway.

Many players who got high rr now (example william) run around solo many times and died many times...but though they died often they killed often.

What i want to say is that there is a general problem in agramon compared to the other bgs...the fear to run into an unfair fight and die. this leads to perfect setups only. Well...if you build a nice supported fg time by time its ok, but wouldnt it be much funnier to run with imperfect setups time by time? Or to include some new players instead of always the same old ones?

When i think at old good times when braemar was main rvr zone there it didnt matter too wether you have perfect setup or not...you just attacked again...good/bad sc or setup didnt matter. But many players make rvr and watch their RP gain bar all the time...and dont care for the other players.

lol breaemer example :>

in braemer people where funny if there was ANY action .. cause most of the days no one was in there ^^ so dont say it was funnier then xD


and i dont get the point why all say those who likes to play without add should be the ones without a life? I was sick the last 4 days so i couldnt really do anything besides sitting on my computer and sleeping ._. and those who add all the time are those "no lifer" they are most of the time online when i checked agramon with my skald or merc.. dont know but to say those elite players got no life is not right^^

Then why all say those who like 8vs8 (or sth compareable to this) do it just for the rps? Holzmichel for example often said in irc he just plays for the rp`s and would leave the server if there would be a RP reset ... and most of the "Elite uba player" often said they just play for fun...

agree with malle

there is another confusion...

disliking adders, leechers and other rvr killers, doesnt mean running only with perfect fg setup.

when i am in agra running with friar+ wizard+wizard ( not really perfect setup ^^) i still think that the minstrel that add the fight just to leech RPs (and make the enemies logging out or getting more people ) is a asshole and join the "not invite" list.

at least on alb the mentality of perfect setup with fix group doesnt exist. maybe that's the reason why there are very less adders. and the only one i see are the weak players that complain later to not be grouped.

on alb you don't see broad spamed with insults cause of adders. that's nice too. even when you see holz's grey minstrel that follow you and leech you for 30 mins, you ask him friendly 10 times to leave. but i can understand that on hib you want to insult him and his group when they add everytime and don't care about anybody but themselve.

hm...broad was not concerned but the "FU" sends are quite obvious how it is handled in alb . Maybe thats a reason because there arent many adders.

And alb doesnt rely on perfect setup groups only? then why are there as good as no albs? or why are there only cleric+dd duos running around if not to be a perfect duo?^^ And when i see a fg running it has always 2 clerics and 1 sorc + dd, casters.

lol n00b

because sorc + cleri cleri + dd is not perfect lol?

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dont you never see group with sorc+ minstrel in it? or 2 sorc? or not everybody 50?

and even if the "setup" is "perfect" there are often "new players" in it that are invited to fill the group and check what they can do.

on another way, usually, everybody start the group with the char he wanna play ( you'll see me with wizard, nes with theu ^^) but if you have not a chance , the setup will change to fit to the enemy's group.

not perfect group doesn't mean scout+ wizard+ matter caba+ minstrel X3+ pally+ paha... sure you try to get a nice setup... but i think it's very rare that you ask smdy to leave the group to get a better class or something like that. maybe that can happen when you have no other choice if you wanna go on rvring, and usually the level 47 friar will say " if you need my room to get smdy else, tell me , i ll leave"

panachier wrote:...i still think that the minstrel that add the fight just to leech RPs (and make the enemies logging out or getting more people ) is a asshole and join the "not invite" list.

Cool you have a list, I have one too but mine is called "DEATH NOTE" and is used for other purposes

A lot of player doesn´t know that there are 3 (!!) realms who can participate in RvR ~o~

To fairness for 8vs8 fights:

-Nobody let solos or smaller grps alive ... everbody kills them with bigger grp ... so where is the fairness? so pls shut up when you´re brabbling about fair fg vs fg fights -.-

-Like i said in first sentence ... there are 3 Realms
example: Mid vs Hib is fighting => Albs are joining => there AREN´T Adder/leecher ...because DAoC is made for 3 forces and not 2

A other point => RvR

Everybody has the right to join RvR to defend the realm . This is a game.

If you want fair duells , buy a sword in real life , train 6-10 years , search for a equal enemy and do a death duel XD Really funny .. only 1 lost fight and you can´t do it again ;P
Means => be happy that you play a game which gives you a lot of times chances to find spontanous fair and difficult battles.

And last but not least Zerg XD

With a good (ooookay high RR) grp it´s possible to fight against 2 normal FGs without problems .

I think there are only 2 problems which avoid longer RvR war.

I) sticking on grps with other grps
II) a fast give up

Running in a current battle is in the most of cases okay, but don´t overdo it.


P.S.: X-realming is only fine , when the one took ~1 hour outside before he´s logging again in a other realm.( in other way it´s realmspying and warwinnerlogging)