Lately there has been a lot of flaming and name calling caused by "Adding"

I would really love to hear something from the Staff about this topic because as far as i know DAoC isn't designed to be 8vs8.
If i see a fight, i don't stand by and try to count the amount of enemies and maybe, if they're not 8 but 11 i finally decide it would be okay for me to join in, no i just run in there and try to help (or to kill, call it whatever you want ^^).

I know it won't be possible to stop this "8vs8-only" thing (which i also enjoy but i hate how those people claim the enemies in agramon to be "theirs" only and if it's your group for once that finds the enemies first, they feel free to add of course because, well, obviously they're "their" enemies).
But it might be possible to put an end to all the flaming, which might sometimes be entertaining but might also be hurting or disturbing to some people.

it is possible to stop this 8 vs 8 only...just ignore the no add calls or we dont want to zerg because we were informed via irc query that fg is running. Just ignore them and do what you want.

I agree with Phil and was thinking myself about starting a thread about this, cause it really starts to get annoying.
I tried to ignore it but sometimes you just can't .
here is just a little example of what fills out the Broadchat almost every night.
Some part might be hard to read cause i was so ****** that i forgot to take that combat log out behind it


http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n75/ ... hot020.jpg

nice for new ppl on the server to read a broad simular to that one almost every night
( this screen isnt even one of the worse ones. Lots of times ppl get personally insulted and this just goes too far).
i bet it makes them not want to be part of these Agramon Players but stay in the bg's cause there it seems to be more zivilized.

sure some think its amusing
but alot of others just dont !

And to be honest i feel like logging out or go craft when i read these "DONT ADD!!! / THX FOR ADD!!! macros
cause i know were it ends everytime.
and i am sure i am not the only one.


Maybe these all so mighty 8vs8 pros should have their own little bg were they can arrange their perfect setup 8vs8 fights.
were they can proof to themselfs how pro they are
of course without rp gain ,cause we know were that would lead^^

well every stick has two ends...

first of all if there is sth like, lets say 3vs3 fight and you add with fg its actually the worst thing to your enemy and not to your realm mates

and another part of the cake
if there is "fair fight" out there and will stay fair after your add i see nothing against adding... and also what you mentioned "DON'T ADD!" shouting people, if they feel ok with adding why there should be another rule for you.

Everything is just to keep a fight "fair" and not just smash opponents for few rps... quotes put on fair means your own reasonable translation of this expression

cheers,
Myx

90% of the fights are not fair. is it fair to hit a solo with a fg?
happens 100 times a day. are there a hundreds a solo-whine-flame-threads here?
if i want to add a fight, i do it, no matter what pr0s say.

everybody is free to add...

but everybody is free to not group some people too...

if you enjoy killing rvr fights with adding, don't complain on another side that nobody wants to invite you.

aye guys just zerg down the enemy, thats the main sense of the game, you re pretty right...omg.....

more zerg for more adds, cause thats whats daoc is intended for not 8vs8, thats why grps have 10+ slots and not 8....and its also really fun killing some guys of an anyways beaten enemies grp by adding 20 vs. 8 ....sure thats fun for all...the grp that made the work, the enemies that got zerged and prolly most for the gimped adders, not able to kill a thing an their own ....

has nothing to do with fairness but adding into a running fight to leech rps from other grps that made the battle to get down the enemy, while not being able to kill that enemy on their own just sux and produces nothing more than zerg and as a result laaaaaagsssss and then no one has anymore fun.

and most of the time the professional adders just do their crappy thing, until the enemy gets more ppl, cuz being zerged and then log out and leave the rest alone...so rvr is gone for the whole realm....


nothing to say bout random minigrp adders or stealthers, they cant do anything else with just fgs running, but fgs adding and just doing it to get free rps, while they cant kill any enemy grp on their own just suck !!

my 2-3 cents ...

panachier wrote:everybody is free to add...

but everybody is free to not group some people too...

if you enjoy killing rvr fights with adding, don't complain on another side that nobody wants to invite you.

adders kill rvr fights? sure =)
what about this story: some ppl run solo or in small grps, cause no one invite them (i dont complain about fgs playing together since 3 years).
they try hard and got zerged again and again and again. or they add and get that broad-NO-ADD-shit. the most of them logg, went to a bg or whatever (next story: pr0s whine about no ppl in agra...). the others try again, and add the enemygrps they know. and now the situation is their fault? should they play alone with themselves in the irish sea? not everyone got playtime at night, where 1on1s are possible.
so,what to do? if u stop pwning all small grps/solos/lows/whatever as a fg, they stop adding. but u cant, cause its rvr. they cant, cause its rvr. maybe we should start bgs for everyone. 1 for that 4 fgs, 1 for that 6 smallgrps, 1 for that 10 solos and maybe 1 for exping ppl...

Interesting thing is, I don't think I have ever, and I mean E V E R, seen anyone asking N I C E L Y someone not to add. Try it sometimes, it might work, instead of acting like you can tell people what to do with their characters on a server wich you DO NOT OWN. Ofcourse, people who you flamed 1018650185018 times for adding won't give a ******, because they will add now just to spite you.
And when someone says adders kill rvr all I can say is LOL, those "elite pro omgwtfpwned" groups kill rvr when their run out with their perfect setup in agra on a night when theres a lot of small man groups running around and having fun (and no those people do not need irc to have fun unlike most of those before mentioned groups).

Oh and I forgot another thing, most times those "elite..." groups don't bring more people because they don't want to, not because they cant. That has been proven more than once.

I personally don't add when I'm solo, because I don't give a flying ****** about ~70 arpees I'm gonna get from that fight. When I'm in a group that doesn't add, I don't add, and when I'm in a group that adds I most certanly add, and pay no attention to people QQing in broad.

Isn´t it possible to separate the NF B-channel from the other bgs?
i think nobody wants to read daily (german) flames of "famous " ppl.
Btw. it´s no attraction to take part in lvl. 50 rvr.

If this won't stop we'll start to moderate the broad chat.. With Ingame Bans for misuse. We can easily manage that from IRC if you're not able to keep the chat clean.

haha mostly we dont have that problem in alb because there we like each other ! haha!

or im just blind but since i play a bit more active again I never such a "discussion" in broad ^^ (and not with av we didnt do that on that way o.O )

so plx plx gimme cookies!!!1

DAoC isn't meant to be 8vs8. But it's not meant to be 16vs8 either.
If you add into a fair fight, the enemies will be ****** off and log out sooner - what could have been a nice evening with fair fights for both sides has become a short two minutes of adding. Less fun for everyone, less RPs, less of everything.
So, what was the point of adding again?

Oh, and the I like the idea of a moderated /b. Bans would have a more honorable status then.

Thanks for your reply Presto, that's more than i hoped to see in this topic

So this is settled for me ^^

Oh no! Don't nerf my favorite PvE-distraction! Uthgard's first daily soap: 'Agramorons - the l33t and the losers', life on channel /b.

The ancient epic struggle of adders vs noadders, a fight that, just like the realmwar itself, can't have a winner, only everyone burning in endless, pointless flames. It is a very classic element of DAoC too, and a welcome alternative to switiching on the TV while pulling the next mob, or waiting for inc.

Instead of getting upset and angry, and only hours later realize how silly it all really was and start laughing about it, you just need to skip to the laughing part right away. It's the healthiest approch to deal with the inevitable mmo-grief that I've found so far