Haldan wrote:I think most of the "8vs8" guys unlearned that DAoC is just about having fun
no matter if there are too many opponents. When I last cruised with a char
through Wilton I found one of those players who still know what it means to
have fun in the game without running the utmost newest fotm group setup.

That guy was Pisolo a really kind guy. His statement when asking for group was:
"I always invite players no matter what class or level as long as there is still
a slot free!"

For me this is a sign of a player who seeks fun in the game, because it is a
game and I seriously hope to see many more of such players

Thats how I want to play, but its hard because if I do that I have literally a 0% chance because we just get run over because the other realms care so much about winning.

i am not interessted in building up zergs no fun for me

i want maximum 8 man grps fight against dont know 8 or sth or 8 + adds with same realm adds etc but dont want to organize a zerg because thats not the way I enjoy daoc

1:RVR IS NOT FAIR..even 8vs8 is NOT fair..there are always slight differences that make one group statistically better capable to win from the other

2: Zergs will come and go. Zergs come when one group will loose a few times from another group. If other can't counterzerg->YOU HAVE LOST. Wait 30 mins and go agramon again cause zergs have to tendency to break up fast if there are not enough enemies.

3: Agramon is NOT a RP farm. It's a WARZONE. So you have 3 realms who battle to control agramon and the other zones. There are no rules. The only fairness is to help realmmates! but even that is not a law.

PS: I like guys like stahlhagel, divinearchangel, griselda, elrill etc..they give other realmmates the incentive to check agra out too.

i wonder if the players from old purga stayed in the same realms on uth, when i played there ALB was too underpopulated most of time, just because there was no comunication.

random group + languaje barrier = 0% chances to win (win is not the only fun, but losing all times becomes boring)

i still talk with a friend who stayed alb, he claims that mid and hib are always zerging... and thats just the same hibs here say about alb and mids.

what I DO find lame is players who log into a realm then do /who agra, /who thid... and then log into their main realm just to farm rps... just like pre-arranged duels but only the crossrealmers have the advantage!!

When you stop shouting "no adds" and invite everyone who wants to rvr to agramon, albion will stop being "dying realm". This attitude is just gross and i was seriously shocked when one player on irc messaged me: "Stupid adders, 5 of them are here sticked to our group. Please kill them first we will just wait for you and do nothing untill you kill them".

I wont name him, he will recognize himself in this text. You sir are the lowest form of life on earth, lower then amebas.

Its quite intereseting tho, whats your argument: "Stupid adders will cause group from other realm to log off." But in 90% of cases it produces the opposite effect - other realm brings more players; more players = more fun. You dont want "zergs" and "mass vs mass unfair fights" ? You sir are playing a completely wrong game then! Try 8v8 Counterstrike or World of Warcraft battlegrounds instead! I guarantee you it will suite you much better!

Totally agree with Nammoth

totally disagree with nanmoth.

if some people don't wanna zerg, you can't force them.

personnaly i have most of the time no fun in zerg.

so if you follow some people that ask you to not do, you kill them fun cause you are not able to find enough people that want to play the way you wanna play.

i think that s totaly egoist... and if there is no other way for them to avoid such thing, it's nice to ask to the enemies to kill you first ( even if it s against the rules)

when it happened to my group (some albs wanted to follow us and we didnt want) we had to split and split again our group to loose them.
rvr is realm versus realm... when you have to fight versus your own realm that's sad

When you have conflicts in your own realm you should think about solutions...maybe some albs dont like zerg, but it was same in hib too...there are still a lot of players who prefer 8 vs 8 but if there are adders there are adders...nothing can change that. Any action causing the dead of the adders like RvR coordination with other realms is just not fair for other players. In most cases players starts zerg because they are weaker then the enemy. Those players want to make rvr but might not have perfect setup equipment and skill and rr so they run with players who dont lack those qualities. Maybe you should just invite some lower players to agramon thus you can compete with zergs in agramon. If you would invite the thid groups for example those bg players might get an better impression of agramon.

panachier wrote:totally disagree with nanmoth.

if some people don't wanna zerg, you can't force them.

personnaly i have most of the time no fun in zerg.

so if you follow some people that ask you to not do, you kill them fun cause you are not able to find enough people that want to play the way you wanna play.

i think that s totaly egoist... and if there is no other way for them to avoid such thing, it's nice to ask to the enemies to kill you first ( even if it s against the rules)

when it happened to my group (some albs wanted to follow us and we didnt want) we had to split and split again our group to loose them.
rvr is realm versus realm... when you have to fight versus your own realm that's sad

You sir are an ameba.

Last sentence is pure gold: "we had to lose our realmmates, so we could realm vs realm, because realm vs realm shouldn't include members from our realm, only our group, so basically I want realm vs group because (or group vs group)... actually I don't know what I'm talking about, I am an ameba."

well...thats the typical behavoir of most elite guilds on uthgard to get more rps. In albion it had the most influence it seems though all people play in bg only or raid dragon for...what for? for respecs for their bg chars? or dragon drops for thidranki equipment?^^

flaming... in a game i want to have fun, i don't really care of wining or loosing till it's fun...

i have no fun fighting a group of 8 when you are with 19 other people...

and i have even less fun runing in an empty agra cause enemies logged out.

so yes, for me rvr is fighting enemies on a fair way , cause other way i call that smashing doors and being afk...

everybody can have fun on the way he wants to... if some people want to zerg, they can, if some people dont want, they shouldnt have to be forced...

some people need to be in mass to have some chance to get RPs, i agree and i have no problem with that.

even when there are 2 groups of "low" players in front, and i am in a group with good players, we can rebuild the group to be optimized and fight them and so everybody have fun.

but leeching the winning group cause he is good and you want RPs too... there is no fun at all for anybody.

@massiv...

if you are able to find some elite guild on albion you are really good. i think the only activ guild in rvr at the moment on albion is the army of immortal and they are all but elitist

panachier wrote:if you are able to find some elite guild on albion you are really good. i think the only activ guild in rvr at the moment on albion is the army of immortal and they are all but elitist

Pfffff

Clan Cotswold is active, and we ARE the elitists.

What happened yesterday was:

There was an Albion 8 man group and 2 hib groups. One was full of BA (I think) and the other was a random group, or maybe that was SoI.

We beat BA once, then lost twice, so the expers (I think they were exping, or just 6~8 lvl 43's~49's) decided they would help us. We could have beaten BA on our own, we just needed to try some different tactics and not run into the other hib group at the same time.

But the lower alb group wanted to help us, and I think it was because they didnt want us giving free RP to the other groups. It was either this, or they just thought we needed help...

This isnt a one off scenario, it happens whenever there is :

A fg Albion

A fg exper

And a hard to kill hib or mid group.

It happened when I was exping in those levels, I thought "Why do these albs (AV, OdT, ect) keep giving RP, why dont we help them?". It's the thought of every lvl 4x exper, until they get to lvl 50.

Re-read that paragraph above and try and translate what I mean....

First person to understand gets a cookie

*edit in grammar, my grammar gets worse every time I read your english(I'm not being mean, but some of you like to use shorthand writing and no grammar which is bad for me *

Nammoth wrote:Try 8v8 Counterstrike or World of Warcraft battlegrounds instead! I guarantee you it will suite you much better!

blablabla

Try to go to the Army! I guarantee you it will suite you much better!


stop to try to say players how they should play this game!

Conclusion to yesterday's alb group: 2 reavers in assist train is ****** op

Malle, people should play the game the way it's designed. It's not designed strictly for 8v8 fights.

Flamingfury wrote:Conclusion to yesterday's alb group: 2 reavers in assist train is ****** op

So are 2 vale, 2 savages or 2 offtanks flurry you for 400+ each