Still respec stone bp price is way too high. I seriously doubt anyone will buy it for 5000 bps. You have to rvr for 2 months to get that amount of bps.

And one more thing. This game is supposed to be fun. It isnt fun for newcomer to grind plats to get respec stone. It isnt fun for everyone to beg people to form legion/dragon raids... spend 2-3 hours to prepare it and it fails or worse you dont get your respec. Or get kicked into face by snobs "youre playing wizard/eldritch your class is useless on raids, stay at home". This server is NOT LIVE, it hasnt population like live, raids are not organised every 6 hours, and respecs are way to scarce. So what - you will have dozens of respecs on auction? What will happen after everyone uses them? Prices will normalise after few months, but you will have population increase in agramon bcuz everyone wants bp stuff and it wont be "i have to rvr for 2 months to get that stuff ill rather go grind some cursed forest or whatever", and most important - happy server population that will steadily increase.

This is not live, there is not lots of currency flowing around, there arent that many raids, and most important there isnt that many people on this server. 5000 bps is way way way too much.

And one more thing. It seems to me youre taking high rr/very old players on this server as point of reference. You should understand that they form the lowest part of active players on this server. In my opinion you should make game as easy as possible for newcomers. Old players have enough of everything here, will easilly get respecs/stuffz/sc, will adapt somehow from this bp loss. What happened instead of making everyone happy, most of population is angry bcuz of bp nerf, you have stuff @ bp merchants that noone will probably buy and no population increase in agramon. Also what panachier said (first time in my life i agree to something he says), some classes are very dependant on charges this nerf will hurt them even more.

Hrhrhr this is exactly what I feared.

Ok I'm not influenced this much myself but as I've said in the Pot nerf discussions, as a community we're being kicked in the balls over and over again from an angle we can't even see if we want to!

Not announcing this thread gives us no time to respond nor does it give time for the GM's to explain their choice so the community understands why they are doing this. Now there are just more and more mad threads about these changes which could have been prevented.

People feel pretty helpless posting stuff afterwards because changes are done and won't be changed again in most of the cases. We don't want to whine about these things but you guys just give us no other choice.

You can state how 'well' you fixed this but imo they way you did it is more then terrible!!

Will you guys now please learn that interaction -BEFORE you make changes- between your small community is A MUST to keep things alive here?

I can imagine lots of people thinking: pfff if this is the way we are being treated, they can find someone else to play on their server, I'm outta here. I enjoyed DAoC and Uthgard but I'm not playing on a server where we can't even negociate about important changes before they get implemented...

I'm just saying that you might wanna be more careful if you make a move like this, because as for myself I'm not really happy with all this and another similar action could very well mean my last days on this server.

PS: I don't like to post these things but that's just my opinion on the things that have occured the last few days.

raw wrote:

Flamingfury wrote:They are worthless now, SINCE I DON'T HAVE ANY ANYMORE.

What you just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I've ever heard.

Ok then braniac, how does something that doesn't exist have a value ?

raw wrote:Basically you're saying: As long as I had some I wanted them, and now that I've some less I don't want them anymore.

Basically I said, I was saving them for the new items, but I got robbed of them so all my effort went down the drain. Yes I still want them, I want them back. L2read.

raw wrote:Not true. Those who got more, STILL got more. The only difference is that the amount of more is different.

Those who had more, got more taken away from them. This robin hood saving the economy move by the devs is mildly stupid. Some people could buy lots of respec stones they say ? Wake up, lots of people have dozens at disposal already in vaults, buying 3-4 more won't make a dent in the economy whatsoever. Besides, 5k BP (price of respec stones) is not that simple to get. 5k BP is ~RR5 without spending a single BP.

raw wrote:Robbery is the act of seizing property through violence or intimidation. More precisely, at common law, robbery was defined as taking the property of another, with the intent to permanently deprive the person of that property, by means of force or fear.

Exactly, my BPs were my property, and I got deprived of that property by force. Afaik I had no choice or influence there.



I wonder how would you react if you had lost something you worked for for months. I'm sure your thidranki main and 20 braemar alts don't give a damn about this change because you never had anything to lose in the first place, and you're just posting here for the sake of trolling. Gtfo.

Flamingfury wrote:Ok then braniac, how does something that doesn't exist have a value ?

BP exist. BP are wanted. Therefore they have a value. Not one word of your sentence makes sense.

Basically I said, I was saving them for the new items, but I got robbed of them so all my effort went down the drain. Yes I still want them, I want them back. L2read.

No, that is not what you said. You just circulate the words now so you don't look like a complete fool. IF you say BP have no worth for you, you don't want them. Worth is completely determined by 'want'. Simple. What you're now saying is something completely different from your first statement. And that you want them back, shows that the BP have indeed a value for you. Schizophrenic much?

Those who had more, got more taken away from them. This robin hood saving the economy move by the devs is mildly stupid. Some people could buy lots of respec stones they say ? Wake up, lots of people have dozens at disposal already in vaults, buying 3-4 more won't make a dent in the economy whatsoever.

If that was true, the missing BPs would indeed be worthless. But since you're obviously /cry for them, they seem to have a worth for you. So what is it now: Worth or no worth? You need to decide at least once in your ramblings.

Besides, 5k BP (price of respec stones) is not that simple to get. 5k BP is ~RR5 without spending a single BP.

I think this is the core matter for the /cry, and I think that this is exactly what the staff wanted: Only very few can actually buy RPRS.

I wonder how would you react if you had lost something you worked for for months. I'm sure your thidranki main and 20 braemar alts don't give a damn about this change because you never had anything to lose in the first place, and you're just posting here for the sake of trolling. Gtfo.

Since the BPs now have an actual value, I don't care about the loss so much but rather what I can buy with them. Plus I did never 'farm' them actively but got them passively while doing other stuff, so I can't really say I 'worked' for BPs. I just got them.
Assuming that everyone that is not of your opinion don't have many BPs is wrong in any case.

The life... that state of conscience where you walk around trying to do your best, trying to be as better as you can, trying to be helpful, trying to listen people problems, trying to arrange that problems and if it's necessary applying though hand to the people who gets out of your 'parameters' of good conduct.
I know, i guess, i hope you are trying to do all that, as GMs and Devs you should indeed.

You know, The Gods can be mercyful but they can also be merciless, but in this case you are just acting like child playing to be Gods. We apreciate all the done job along all these years, don't missundertand me, but sometimes a dictatorial position is not the best to do that things...

Nothing is too much, a few is enough... I guess the recent moves were like a 'present' to us all so secret, if not a poll asking our opinion, a simple 'up your fingers' would be enough to take care of the people that are supporting you, and no i will not fall into the topic: ' they are working for you free... ' 'this is a free server..' ; Yeah, but without me and without you, that are reading this post-drunk-text, the server would not exists. If devs wanna close the server, they got the power, we will be still alive...

Now we will talk about facts. What happened when you changed the rvr map? What happened when you did the DR more difficult(Albion at least..)? What happened when you changed the BGs lvl ranges?
Can't you learn something with your previous errors? What about the problem with the leg weapons? Nor mythic can do a worst job...
Do you think you are inmune to time effects just cause you have got a different freeshard?

You are working, we know, but instead of attend to /calls or polls or whatever we do to help you are just doing blind moves, with all my respect...

Now we will talk about respect. Look at you player database. There is still some people who plays Uthgard for 3-4 years, spending a lot of hours on getting the server more challenge, getting stuff, raiding, rvring, helping newbies, and what now? You just make step-by-step they daoc life harder and harder without sense. What, do you think, are they feelingns nowdays? A lot have left and a lot will do and not cause of natural matter unfortunately...

As a caster in Uthgard, my virtual life is a pain, maybe i'm not so good, maybe i just have bad luck, but apart from all this i ussually log-in to get fun and sometimes i'm doing, also dying again and again. If i try to solo, a melee beat me down with 3 swings(without styles any tank deal 100+ dmg ^^), if i'm grouped i just can try to stop the enemy and try to run... Farming the best stuff is a pain now days, Why dont you try to organize raids insteand of doing crap changes?
Do you think i can survive without pots in combat, Do you think i can survive without bps(370 left so 2 charge stones and 1 week to buy a new one...) The answer is not, i can't. You can apply it to ALL stealthers, any mage or any non-tank class. You are getting the way of doing a Sims freeshard or something like that, main RvR is nearly ruined, yeah you have a good population doing pve but it's not effective to a freeshard life...

I'd say to the devs, if they want i will begin a new character from 1 to 50 with them, then we will see if the server is ok nowdays.

There is a Muse lyric that says... How can we win when fools can be kings? Maybe they played Uthgard.

Sincerely, a drunk dude.

well, i appreciat the step too; i m quite a new player with not a lot of BP but i m agreey with the decision of the staff.
Yes, they could announce, but i guess the best solution was not to announce it, just becouse if all peoples knew it, the one who had a lot of them, was shurely trying to use them before the change.
Anywhay, someone spok about Holz and an other chars with a lot of Bp`s.
My opinion about that; if i was the one who decided, i did not take any bps away from the high rr player; the reason is simple:
they play on uthgard since a lot of time, they are costant and they worked hard to get that bps, while other peoples twinks and pvm instead of moove server.
I think the high rr player could keep they bps and do what they want with it; buy stone, sell it again ecc; they worked hard for that.
Im qui te new on server, only a few mounth here; if i was like 4 yeahr here, i shurely be a bit upset about that. But may instead of take bp`s away from high rr peopls there is an other solution for pay them for the hard work? may something like a monument in the main city? or a street name in the daoc world? ^^

i m agreyy with the staff change, but, even if I m new, i m sorry for high rr peoples that loose a lot for what they worked hard.

ciao Antonio


@vlad -> well i play since few mounth , i got infi 49 , caba 41 mince 40, and never used pot, no pot, no buff pot nothing at all. I survive and make my way. I like solo, i like grupp;
i just choice the class that is for me funny in the game, and ill never regrett, even if i die.and if i die

evilschneiderin wrote:well, i appreciat the step too; i m quite a new player with not a lot of BP but i m agreey with the decision of the staff.
Yes, they could announce, but i guess the best solution was not to announce it, just becouse if all peoples knew it, the one who had a lot of them, was shurely trying to use them before the change.
Anywhay, someone spok about Holz and an other chars with a lot of Bp`s.
My opinion about that; if i was the one who decided, i did not take any bps away from the high rr player; the reason is simple:
they play on uthgard since a lot of time, they are costant and they worked hard to get that bps, while other peoples twinks and pvm instead of moove server.
I think the high rr player could keep they bps and do what they want with it; buy stone, sell it again ecc; they worked hard for that.
Im qui te new on server, only a few mounth here; if i was like 4 yeahr here, i shurely be a bit upset about that. But may instead of take bp`s away from high rr peopls there is an other solution for pay them for the hard work? may something like a monument in the main city? or a street name in the daoc world? ^^

i m agreyy with the staff change, but, even if I m new, i m sorry for high rr peoples that loose a lot for what they worked hard.

ciao Antonio


@vlad -> well i play since few mounth , i got infi 49 , caba 41 mince 40, and never used pot, no pot, no buff pot nothing at all. I survive and make my way. I like solo, i like grupp;
i just choice the class that is for me funny in the game, and ill never regrett, even if i die.and if i die

Lol, W..T..F... are you saying here?!

You're saying: ooh look at them they've already spent such hard work on those things which means they have LOADS of that sort of stuff which means it would be a sad thing if you made them get the same treatment as the rest. They have loads of it so they should get to keep it? They've got so much of this they don't even care about what has changed! Whatever, they worked for it and are benefitting from it, that's fair but benefitting them even more would be just plain retarded . It's like robbing the poor and giving to the rich.

I mean you're saying that people who still have to work to get there DO need to lose their BP because well, yea they DID NOT YET WORK HARD ENOUGH hahahah! You fools you should have farmed BPs sooner! (Sorry I got dragged away)

Anyway, your post means that you would wan the people who are currently working on it have an even harder time than they have and the poeple who're kinda sitting on roses already on this topic that they should be praised for it...

Where's your common sense?

I'm almost amusing myself...

nice that u r amusing your self tha tmeans u liked my post; anywhay, may like other poepls suggest, the solution is instead of taking away bps, to let them use only for the own account? with no possibility to change to other player ^^

damn people really like to break down others opinions, and reply to them sentence by sentence :>

i still stand by my opinion, a BP change is fine if necessary, but you blindsided us badly! on live server for any mmo the devs would have warned us days/weeks/months/years ahead of time of such a change :>

my suggestion:

roll back the BP change and merchants, do some polling, figure out pricing first, then give a timetable for implimentation. this is the only sane solution to this broken and unpopular system.

Flamingfury wrote:BPs always had a value, I saved them for the sole purpose of buying the announced BP items, I could have spent them all on recharge stones or houses.

What, now all of a sudden they had worth. Three posts earlier they WE'RE ABSOLUTELY WORTHLESS if I'm allowed to quote you in text and style.
And again: That you saved them matters not, since the saving is still accounted for in the overall decrease of BP.
The only problem is the chism between the prices of airroutes, housing etc.. and the new items.
And again, only because someone don't agrees with your rage, he is not automatically a lowbie.

Please, if I'm so wrong, point out one person who had at least the amount of BP I had and tell me they're happy with losing them for nothing.

I doubt anyone is happy about loosing things, but there is a difference between stupid accusions and whine on forums and the recognition of coherences.

What's wrong are the new players who are justifying this outrageous pillaging, saying they need/want fairness.

1. I don't see new players justifying anything
2. I don't see pillaging

Well f*ck you, I started on uthgard 5 months ago and if I didn't complain about people having advantages over me, I didn't whine when I was lvl 50 and RR2 in agramon fighting RR7+ people, why the ****** do newcomers need tender loving care all of a sudden.

3. and I don't see tender loving care for newbies. In fact: every long time player still has more BP than any newcomer. (if he didn't spend them of course)

You're just bullshiting yourself now. There are valid points against the BP change, but you name none of them.

I don't want to sound harsh, but honestly this nerf outright ****** me off.

If you rage in reallife about virtual economy you should get your sensors adjusted.

*deleted flamingfurys posting*

Please discuss in an objective manner!

@Flamingfury I'm including you with the 'newcomers'. By newcomers I dont mean lvls 1 - 20 with their mains. I mean people who are new to agra, getting their first real BPs, starting to manage them so they know what they are gonne be using them for and why they will save them.

It is indeed sad that these people who were eager to spend out their freshly earned BPs, get robbed from them even if they have no intention AT ALL to buy anything from the new merchants. Where's the point in this?

And yes Astaeloth (sry if yr name isn't 100% correct :p) I think we should indeed have gotten more time to discuss this or at least have been notified.

Well Hopefully the staff will revise these changes...

I agree with Azin who did a decent post in the german section.
(Use google translater if u cant speak german - its worth )

In addition i want add:

I dont wanna drop Names (until Presto wants to know), but i was witness some weeks ago, when some people got informed by some GM via TS that BP's gonna be reseted to 1/10. I know its a ugly step from my side to mention it right now. But i dont agree with the way things get moving right now...



Honestly people having alot BPs usually also have alot Gold / influence / friends for them its not difficult to get what they want.


Greetz
Nes

raw wrote:

Flamingfury wrote:BPs always had a value, I saved them for the sole purpose of buying the announced BP items, I could have spent them all on recharge stones or houses.

raw wrote:What, now all of a sudden they had worth. Three posts earlier they WE'RE ABSOLUTELY WORTHLESS if I'm allowed to quote you in text and style.
And again: That you saved them matters not, since the saving is still accounted for in the overall decrease of BP

You obviously have a problem comprehending text you're trying to read. Or simply not reading it and posting, like I said, for the sake of trolling. I explained it two times already, you simply fail and fail again.

raw wrote:And again, only because someone don't agrees with your rage, he is not automatically a lowbie.

No necessarily a lowbie, but someone who never had saved a great amount of BP, intentionally, consciously, for a purpose.

raw wrote:I doubt anyone is happy about loosing things, but there is a difference between stupid accusions and whine on forums and the recognition of coherences.

I didn't accuse anyone of anything, not whining, I'm just protesting when I'm being deprived of something I should have. It's called "rights". Look it up.

raw wrote:1. I don't see new players justifying anything
2. I don't see pillaging

Then you should get these.

raw wrote:3. and I don't see tender loving care for newbies. In fact: every long time player still has more BP than any newcomer. (if he didn't spend them of course)

I'm sure if you had a RR10 character you wouldn't mind having it downgraded to RR1L2, because you'd still have more RP then 1L1 people, aye ?

raw wrote:You're just bullshiting yourself now. There are valid points against the BP change, but you name none of them.

They would have been valid, IF WE GOT WARNED THAT THEY'D SIMPLY DISAPPEAR.

raw wrote:If you rage in reallife about virtual economy you should get your sensors adjusted.

I use my reallife time, reallife thoughts and reallife physics on this virtual economy. Before trying to act like a psychologist think twice next time.


Anyway, you're way in over your head here, you don't know what I'm talking about or what this subject it about. Where is the ignore option on this forum...

Flamingfury wrote:

raw wrote:

Flamingfury wrote:BPs always had a value, I saved them for the sole purpose of buying the announced BP items, I could have spent them all on recharge stones or houses.

raw wrote:What, now all of a sudden they had worth. Three posts earlier they WE'RE ABSOLUTELY WORTHLESS if I'm allowed to quote you in text and style.
And again: That you saved them matters not, since the saving is still accounted for in the overall decrease of BP

You obviously have a problem comprehending text you're trying to read.

Flamingfury wrote:They are worthless now, SINCE I DON'T HAVE ANY ANYMORE.

Uhu.

Or simply not reading it and posting, like I said, for the sake of trolling.

Of course, everyone who has valid points that don't match your incoherent ramblings just troll.

I explained it two times already, you simply fail and fail again.

You explained nothing at all. First you said your BPs are worthless. Now they aren't. In between of that I was a troll, lowbie, etc..

raw wrote:I doubt anyone is happy about loosing things, but there is a difference between stupid accusions and whine on forums and the recognition of coherences.

I didn't accuse anyone of anything, not whining, I'm just protesting when I'm being deprived of something I should have. It's called "rights". Look it up.

The problem is, that you're not "protesting" but flaming, as Haldan already said. Plus you're neither bringing ANY arguments nor are you supposing something. I really wonder what you're trying to do with your form of "protest". Bore the GMs to death? I doubt that will work.

raw wrote:3. and I don't see tender loving care for newbies. In fact: every long time player still has more BP than any newcomer. (if he didn't spend them of course)

I'm sure if you had a RR10 character you wouldn't mind having it downgraded to RR1L2, because you'd still have more RP then 1L1 people, aye ?

That doesn't compare at all. BP is just a currency whereas RR is the endgame.

raw wrote:You're just bullshiting yourself now. There are valid points against the BP change, but you name none of them.

They would have been valid, IF WE GOT WARNED THAT THEY'D SIMPLY DISAPPEAR.

The GMs didn't announce the change for a reason. What that reason might be is still open, since the merchants are not fully implemented yet.

raw wrote:If you rage in reallife about virtual economy you should get your sensors adjusted.

I use my reallife time, reallife thoughts and reallife physics on this virtual economy. Before trying to act like a psychologist think twice next time.

You're just using reallife time. And then again you can't use time at all. It just slips by. And that wasn't "psychologist" at all. It's just a matter of fact that this is a game.

Anyway, you're way in over your head here, you don't know what I'm talking about or what this subject it about. Where is the ignore option on this forum...

Because everyone who don't agrees with your scewed view of the world has no idea what he is talking about.