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Aeefire Myrmidon Posts: 147 Joined: Feb 10, 2006 01:00	Reply with quote by Aeefire » Jul 28, 2008 11:02 nixian wrote:this is just a whining thread and should be closed blue, nayru or someone plz close this soon it all comes down to solotoon vs grptoon in 1v1 and ofc the solo toons wins thats how logics work agree, you just lost vs. a higher rr infi... there is no shame behind edit: infi, not SB

Tarnum Gryphon Knight Posts: 247 Joined: Apr 15, 2008 00:00 Location: Forest	Reply with quote by Tarnum » Jul 28, 2008 11:10 Ranius wrote:You think you're SO GOOD, I'M THE BEST. cause stealthers on uthgard can really pwn everything. No comments. Ranius wrote:...you won't pwn me again, cause unbuffed I'm not going in agra. So You got it; you realized that this is important in RvR, but you still blame about weakness of tanks... Ranius...you are one of the FEW heros that i can kill, most of others kill me in 3 hits, you should think on it... jeZe wrote:dont you think this discussion is kinda pointless? you got a group spec (det / other passives), are appearently not using charges and pots and complain about getting killed by a fully 1vs1 specced class (incl. buffpots/charges). same thing would happen if you fight a solo specced skald or any other class. nixian wrote:this is just a whining thread and should be closed. blue, nayru or someone plz close this soon I agree with you.

Cespx Gryphon Knight Posts: 466 Joined: Jun 28, 2007 00:00	Reply with quote by Cespx » Jul 28, 2008 12:09 Cespx wrote:End of a whaney part now lets talk about details. 1. 2h dmg vs 1h dmg. I KNOW IT HAS BEEN CHECKED ALREADY (sorry) but it's still possible to reach same dmg as 2h weapon with 1h weapon. It shouldnt be possible! Main tanks like Warrior, Hero, Armsman cant spec both hand weapons. Their power is slow but huge dmg dealt with 2h weapons. On Uthgard actualy you can simply spec your BM with Blunt + CD and reach 2h weapon's dmg with main hand + off hand dmg add. Guys... Do you really think it's designed to work this way? 2. 75% skill/enemy lvl dmg bonus. On live there is a bonus which gives you better dmg with every spec point you take. I've made many researches but havent found any informations about such a bonus like we do have here on Uthgard. You can ask Attilah when he comes how big difference there is between 39 and 50 spec vs 50lvl enemy. Almost zero. You can easly say the only difference is created by new styles. That's why supporter tanks like BM/Merc are able to skill 39 weapon 42 shield 50 cd/dw. That's what makes them so good. I hope those more and more flame topics will make GMs test tank dmg. At least this 75% bonus. So lets close vs infi flame topic and start normal discusion?

nixian Forum Moderator Posts: 5450 Joined: May 19, 2006 00:00	Reply with quote by nixian » Jul 28, 2008 12:17 Cespx wrote: Cespx wrote:End of a whaney part now lets talk about details. 1. 2h dmg vs 1h dmg. I KNOW IT HAS BEEN CHECKED ALREADY (sorry) but it's still possible to reach same dmg as 2h weapon with 1h weapon. It shouldnt be possible! Main tanks like Warrior, Hero, Armsman cant spec both hand weapons. Their power is slow but huge dmg dealt with 2h weapons. On Uthgard actualy you can simply spec your BM with Blunt + CD and reach 2h weapon's dmg with main hand + off hand dmg add. Guys... Do you really think it's designed to work this way? 2. 75% skill/enemy lvl dmg bonus. On live there is a bonus which gives you better dmg with every spec point you take. I've made many researches but havent found any informations about such a bonus like we do have here on Uthgard. You can ask Attilah when he comes how big difference there is between 39 and 50 spec vs 50lvl enemy. Almost zero. You can easly say the only difference is created by new styles. That's why supporter tanks like BM/Merc are able to skill 39 weapon 42 shield 50 cd/dw. That's what makes them so good. I hope those more and more flame topics will make GMs test tank dmg. At least this 75% bonus. So lets close vs infi flame topic and start normal discusion? new thread in different forum plz

Tarnum Gryphon Knight Posts: 247 Joined: Apr 15, 2008 00:00 Location: Forest	Reply with quote by Tarnum » Jul 28, 2008 12:33 Cespx wrote:1. 2h dmg vs 1h dmg. I KNOW IT HAS BEEN CHECKED ALREADY (sorry) but it's still possible to reach same dmg as 2h weapon with 1h weapon. It shouldnt be possible! Main tanks like Warrior, Hero, Armsman cant spec both hand weapons. Their power is slow but huge dmg dealt with 2h weapons. On Uthgard actualy you can simply spec your BM with Blunt + CD and reach 2h weapon's dmg with main hand + off hand dmg add. Guys... Do you really think it's designed to work this way? My experience: I get lower damage with 2h armsman than 2h warrior (same weapon spec and speeds, against same armor target) dunno about hib 2h damage. Compare 2h with Dual is not viable. too much variables. You said that Dual, can reach same damage than 2h, this is class dependant. couse infil cant get more than 120right+60left against another tank, while merc/BM hit 2/3x damage. Dual need 2 specs, lot more spec points, and 2h pure tanks get more WS, parrying a lot.

Denasti Gryphon Knight Posts: 232 Joined: Jul 30, 2007 00:00 Location: Austin, Tx USA	Reply with quote by Denasti » Jul 28, 2008 17:28 I would have to add that I think Dualing/Evade classes are very suspect to being OP. Maybe a look at Dual damage output and evade %. Its not just Inf's. Look at rangers,bm,sb and zerker. It could be the lag that is generated when a stealther unstealths also. I do agree in Uth that a Inf can and will take down any class that cannot self buff. Ala soloing class. Not sure if its right but live is not classic and they may have fixed this after 1.80 for balancing. btw you need BPs to buy all those recharges for the clickies. Something that fighting in Thid does not give you. After getting some bps in agramon then you will be able to run nonstop ablative and af charges. Untill then you should run in a group.

malle Banned Posts: 632 Joined: Jul 13, 2007 00:00	Reply with quote by malle » Jul 28, 2008 17:34 Cespx wrote:1. 2h dmg vs 1h dmg. I KNOW IT HAS BEEN CHECKED ALREADY (sorry) but it's still possible to reach same dmg as 2h weapon with 1h weapon. It shouldnt be possible! Main tanks like Warrior, Hero, Armsman cant spec both hand weapons. Their power is slow but huge dmg dealt with 2h weapons. On Uthgard actualy you can simply spec your BM with Blunt + CD and reach 2h weapon's dmg with main hand + off hand dmg add. Guys... Do you really think it's designed to work this way? 2. 75% skill/enemy lvl dmg bonus. On live there is a bonus which gives you better dmg with every spec point you take. I've made many researches but havent found any informations about such a bonus like we do have here on Uthgard. You can ask Attilah when he comes how big difference there is between 39 and 50 spec vs 50lvl enemy. Almost zero. You can easly say the only difference is created by new styles. That's why supporter tanks like BM/Merc are able to skill 39 weapon 42 shield 50 cd/dw. That's what makes them so good. I hope those more and more flame topics will make GMs test tank dmg. At least this 75% bonus. 1. Yes it is, because offtanks are there to have a very good dps ... i think 2hand weapon users are making faults, look at whiskers e.g. how to deal good dmg with 2 hand weapon. 2hand weapon = extrem frontload not high dps if u dont thrust go on live and look it up .. 2hand dps = sucky offtanks get much much better dps 2. I skilled my merc that way 1 day .. it was so sucky dmg .. normaly i do about 150-250 dmg with side chain with that skill i just dealed about 100-150 .. so i respecced again ... imo thats a very sucky skill http://fightaidsathome.scripps.edu/

panachier Banned Posts: 2267 Joined: Apr 04, 2006 00:00	Reply with quote by panachier » Jul 28, 2008 18:25 malle wrote: 2. I skilled my merc that way 1 day .. it was so sucky dmg .. normaly i do about 150-250 dmg with side chain with that skill i just dealed about 100-150 .. so i respecced again ... imo thats a very sucky skill so there must be a bug... i think ^^ one more time that s just what i remember but if you use side chain (dual) your weapon type dammage should be caped at 51 so 39+ 12 and you should be caped... am i wrong? <img src="http://www.fallenearth.fr/daoc/daoc2.php?player=Panachou">

lothandar Guardian Posts: 1 Joined: Aug 05, 2008 00:00	Reply with quote by lothandar » Aug 05, 2008 21:04 Stealthors are overpowerated! Heroes should kill them, even if they get stunned for 7 seconds! Meh! And and, also, Heavy tank 2h damage has to be upped so high that offensive tanks become obsolete! Meeeeeh, meh meh meh, meeeeeeeh! Aside from my spicy sarcasm, so the whiners understand: Malle is speaking the truth. Offensive tanks kick the ass of heavy tanks at the end of the day. I played a warrior to 8l2 and a blademaster to 7l0 on Prydwen and my experiences with the 2 class can only support his conclusion. Sorry m8s, heavy tanks won't be able to kill everything.

Aeefire Myrmidon Posts: 147 Joined: Feb 10, 2006 01:00	Reply with quote by Aeefire » Aug 05, 2008 21:44 lothandar wrote:Stealthors are overpowerated! Heroes should kill them, even if they get stunned for 7 seconds! Meh! And and, also, Heavy tank 2h damage has to be upped so high that offensive tanks become obsolete! Meeeeeh, meh meh meh, meeeeeeeh! Aside from my spicy sarcasm, so the whiners understand: Malle is speaking the truth. Offensive tanks kick the ass of heavy tanks at the end of the day. I played a warrior to 8l2 and a blademaster to 7l0 on Prydwen and my experiences with the 2 class can only support his conclusion. Sorry m8s, heavy tanks won't be able to kill everything. where is masterpiece!!!!

Ranius Gryphon Knight Posts: 440 Joined: Aug 24, 2006 00:00	Reply with quote by Ranius » Aug 06, 2008 00:59 They're just not what they should be. Heavy tanks should be heavy but here offensive tank is as heavy as heavy tank. Same HPs, worse armor, but evade, higher damage...what exactly is heavy tank for? BM got everything what hero has and more, except stoi, hero got scale, bm got much better evade, both have slam, bm has charge, flurry, triple wield, more damage, same hp...anyone got my point?

panachier Banned Posts: 2267 Joined: Apr 04, 2006 00:00	Reply with quote by panachier » Aug 06, 2008 02:18 hero is defensiv BM is offensiv... and? maybe if there is a problem it's somewhere there <img src="http://www.fallenearth.fr/daoc/daoc2.php?player=Panachou">

Zaraki Myrmidon Posts: 183 Joined: Jul 13, 2008 00:00 Location: Somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert	Reply with quote by Zaraki » Aug 06, 2008 05:16 Ranius wrote:They're just not what they should be. Heavy tanks should be heavy but here offensive tank is as heavy as heavy tank. Same HPs, worse armor, but evade, higher damage...what exactly is heavy tank for? BM got everything what hero has and more, except stoi, hero got scale, bm got much better evade, both have slam, bm has charge, flurry, triple wield, more damage, same hp...anyone got my point? Ok now you are starting to whine about daoc in general not just uthgard. Are you saying that blademasters shouldn't have tw,flurry,evade,charge? Heros have more hp than bm, it's not much more but its more plus you forgot heroes morph. And actually bm's have stoi aswell so theres one more reason to whine for. I guess in your mind light tanks should be like stealthers but without stealth and poisons and tanks should be like unstoppable moving mountains that crush everything that crosses their path -___- and yes I play a bm, thats why the post is somewhat offensive The world will look up and shout "Save us!"...and I'll whisper "NO U." <img src="http://metty.the-bart.org/other/daoc/sig.php?name=Zaraki&s=4"> <img src="http://metty.the-bart.org/other/daoc/sig.php?name=Chopchop&s=4">

Ranius Gryphon Knight Posts: 440 Joined: Aug 24, 2006 00:00	Reply with quote by Ranius » Aug 06, 2008 08:56 No zaraki, not at all. You don't get my point. BM has everything what hero has, and more, except morph, which is every 20 mins. Hero does not have more HPs than bm. I can count you a few things that bm has and that hero doesn't have and then what hero has and bm doesn't have. BM: charge, more dmg, flurry, triple wield Hero: morph?

Thraxia Eagle Knight Posts: 847 Joined: Oct 29, 2006 00:00	Reply with quote by Thraxia » Aug 06, 2008 08:57 Hero got more Weaponskill, though <img src="http://www.fallenearth.fr/daoc/daoc2.php?player=Thraxia" />