well i got enough lvl50 toons here and i don´t care if the xp got drasticly raised - maybe a huge xp boost on rvr keeps or whatever .

remove bgs , raise xp rate and rvr should boom. i know the staff good enough that its not going to happen anyway.

currently killing the same ~20 people over and over again (or on different toons) isn´t fun for me anymore.

the rvr zone is fine as it is , a change of the zone wouldn´t change a thing.

a really drastic bonus on keeps is pretty much the only thing you can discuss about . you won´t see a general xp boost on uth though.

Yesterday i was rvring in agramon for the first time in two weeks. And i remembered why i took this pause. Its the waiting, loitering, doing nothing that kills me. First buffing for 15 minutes. Then running for 15 minutes. Bam action, fight for 1 minute, we probably die. Now its not that we lost - i really dont care about that. Its the thought that i have to go thru all that torture again. Buffing for 15 minutes, running thru HUGE area for another 15 till we get soem action.

Now why is all action in thid? Two days ago there were hib and alb groups all over. They didnt even fought evryone vs everyone. There were 1v1 fights 2v2, grps vs grps. You dont have to be super-duper-speeced character (i wont say "high rr" bcuz i dont think rr matters that much in rvr), get to 43 and immidiatelly jump into action, you dont get flamed by self proclaimed uber-pros bcuz you did something wrong, you dont get "NO ADD" spam from the same guys, you dont have to run for 15 minutes to find action, its easier to level to 43 then to 50 (duh).


I love 50 rvr more then anything but agramon is plain and simply - boring.

I see my thread brings in a discussion - thx for that

Some ppl here said that you need good equipment for agramon - thats true but where is your problem to get it?

Many ppl (almost everyone) has a crafter - so there is no problem to get 99% lvl 51 armor & weapons... you can even buy them at the auctionair!
Money.......... ok there is absolutely no problem you get enough by leveling.

Highend items ok very hard to get, thats true, but normally you dont need them to get a template that is useable for high rvr (especially the healing classes can be capped easily, casters can be capped easily by mp templates cloth mp is cheap cheap cheap)

Only tanks maybe have a problem with that, but normally you can also cap the most important stats strengh, constitution, dexterty and all ressist + you main weapon with 99% sets

So I really dont see why ppl say - "You only want to farm ppl in drop equipment" - sorry but that cant be your problem!

Ok high RR:
Maybe a problem for some, but RR 4L2 is not that bad - as I said you can get the most important RA's for the most classes with this RR.

For me the main reason for ppl not to go to agramon is that they dont like to think about the possiblilies for their chars and equipment.

Nammoth wrote:Now why is all action in thid? Two days ago there were hib and alb groups all over. They didnt even fought evryone vs everyone. There were 1v1 fights 2v2, grps vs grps. You dont have to be super-duper-speeced character (i wont say "high rr" bcuz i dont think rr matters that much in rvr), get to 43 and immidiatelly jump into action, you dont get flamed by self proclaimed uber-pros bcuz you did something wrong, you dont get "NO ADD" spam from the same guys, you dont have to run for 15 minutes to find action, its easier to level to 43 then to 50 (duh).


I love 50 rvr more then anything but agramon is plain and simply - boring.

Hmmm I wasnt going to bring this up but........

I think some people on Albion need to learn how to play. Not actaully play the game, but to learn how to play socially with not very skilled players. Im not talking about myself, but it seems that most of the groups ive been in so far just cant hold it in if somebody does something wrong. I mean, if I do something wrong, everyone goes crazy (probably because im in the starter guild).

Im not complaining about this, but if a rea new player joins them, and does something (or alot of things) wrong, then he probably be shouted at, which is not very nice for a new player.

And its really annoying when somebody shouts at you because you apparently did something wrong, when actaully you did nothing wrong at all, its not your fault but you get the blame anyway.

This never happened in thid, wilton, or braemar.

DarkRef wrote:


Hmmm I wasnt going to bring this up but........

I think some people on Albion need to learn how to play. Not actaully play the game, but to learn how to play socially with not very skilled players. Im not talking about myself, but it seems that most of the groups ive been in so far just cant hold it in if somebody does something wrong. I mean, if I do something wrong, everyone goes crazy (probably because im in the starter guild).

Im not complaining about this, but if a rea new player joins them, and does something (or alot of things) wrong, then he probably be shouted at, which is not very nice for a new player.

And its really annoying when somebody shouts at you because you apparently did something wrong, when actaully you did nothing wrong at all, its not your fault but you get the blame anyway.

This never happened in thid, wilton, or braemar.

maybe that s the problem... it never happen in BG so people continue to do the same mistakes from braemar to thid and so in agra...

you should play better your char the higher he is. if ever you see a cleric buffing himself acuity and str---> cu and go learn in breamar.

but if nobody never said him that acuity is useless for cleric , he'll always do. so it's nice to tell others players when they do mistakes.

and sometimes when you do noob mistakes that make loose your group it can be said on an unfriendly way

panachier wrote:maybe that s the problem... it never happen in BG so people continue to do the same mistakes from braemar to thid and so in agra...

you should play better your char the higher he is. if ever you see a cleric buffing himself acuity and str---> cu and go learn in breamar.

but if nobody never said him that acuity is useless for cleric , he'll always do. so it's nice to tell others players when they do mistakes.

and sometimes when you do noob mistakes that make loose your group it can be said on an unfriendly way

Yes that IS the problem.

If someone makes a noob mistake, and you kick him, thats why he'd rather play in a BG, thus the population of arga would decrease. Tell him nicely and teach him how to play.

Personally I find it amazingly ironic how individuals who complain about how they hate zerging in agramon and other players "adding" fights give tips on how to be nice to new players. Hypocrisy at it's best ^_^

Rolling back to lower RR caps in the bgs would solve the problem partially, since the staff doesn't want to completely remove bgs (along with increased xp rate in pvm of course )

i think there is just pretty much difference between bg players and real rvr in agramon.

most ppl in bgs are not really interested in rvr they just want to make some rps, as easy as they can they dont mind grp setups, tactics, skills and all the things you need for rvr...just port there...run with a bunch of ppl and try to get some rps...

even the try of teaching those ppl how to play is most of the time senseless...they throw aes into mezzed enemies, assist is kinda foreign language and every effort to teach em the basics is a waste of time.

70-90% of the bg players will never be seen in agramon, so the discussion is kinda senseless, what destroys agramon rvr actually is that lots of ppl that know how to play rvr, better play in bgs than in agramon cuz there is no action...

sometimes you see almost fgs of rvr active guilds running in thid, cuz there is no inc in agramon...
i can just speak for myself, but every time agramon is dead (what is quite often) i go to thid/wilton to have fun...

so the main problem to be solved is to make agramon more interesting for ppl that like real rvr and i like to say: staff made a good start to implement lots of playres ideas and i hope you go on like that !!

Well also a point is that if u watch the heralds top 100 Last week rps. Many old and good players dont play anymore here. Many RvR Players leaved, and the new ones, joining the server still hang in BGs.

yes

i see like 3 FGs of each realm still hanging in the BGs (not templated uber BG toons, but people who are still lvling and improving themself for agramon)


give it a month or 3 and all of those will be in agra i believe (or hope so)

Nope they'll just make new chars for bgs again.

stop being negativ you pessimist

Flamingfury wrote:Nope they'll just make new chars for bgs again.

Well lets take the premise that this is true. If there is a portion of the regular server population that are going to do this in any event then any attempts to change things in order to win over those people will be fruitless. However the issue is on how to win over people who 'arent' amongst those individuals. The staff nor anyone else can be reasonably expected to somehow force individuals who do not want to play in level 50 rvr to make a 180 degree turn in their thought process or desire to do so if they do no want it. That's my opinion. The things that are within the controls of the staff and general player population whom wish to see more action in the level 50 rvr zones (whichever they may be) are what we should be discussing. Action should be taken to improve the quality of the server for those who 'may' be interested in getting past the BGs. We should be as supportive for those folks as much as possible through adding content and incentives to keep leveling and reach 50. Not taking any action at all would be silly in my opinion. The way I look at it is this, one more person who makes it to agramon equals one more person you can play with out there, regardless if there are 10 more that decide to hang out in the BG's.

nixian wrote:stop being negativ you pessimist

I'm not being negative, I'm just stating here what I've been seeing in game in the past several months.

Zipp, I'm pretty sure everyone would rather rvr at 50 then in some lowbie bg, but the fact is they get driven out of agramon quickly due to many "problems" all of which are caused by other players. Forbidding people to participate, buffing which takes 20 minutes, general assholeism from elitist players are all nonexistent in the bgs, that's why people prefer to stay there.

Flamingfury wrote:
Zipp, I'm pretty sure everyone would rather rvr at 50 then in some lowbie bg, but the fact is they get driven out of agramon quickly due to many "problems" all of which are caused by other players. Forbidding people to participate, buffing which takes 20 minutes, general assholeism from elitist players are all nonexistent in the bgs, that's why people prefer to stay there.

Well if that is the case then it is a community issue and possibly not something the staff can (and probably should not) really control or micromanage. However on the note of buffing, the Purga freeshard used to have a buffer npc setup in agramon on each realm's respective bridge crossing. This definitely sped up the action a bit since people coulc just talk to the npc and instantly get a full set of buffs (including realm spec buffs). Maybe an idea is to add such an npc to the the central keep in agramon available to the realm that controls the tower. That way there is a focus point in which people can travel to-from and folks will know there is action in / or around that area. Alternatively, perhaps 3 seperate locations for each realm to have buffing areas. This would make it even across all realms and also allow each realm to know where the 'hot spots' are for finding action either solo or groups running around to obtain these buffs. Of course the 'ideal' groups will not need this anyway, but it would be a great boon for pickup groups and such to have access to this.

Naturally the offset to doing this would be making the buffing classes and items less important etc etc.