Hi,

i think about starting a dwarf in Midgard, but i can't find a class where a Dwar would be the best race. Could you give me please an advice for what class you usually choose a dwarf? It seems to mee a race, where it is always only second or third best solution. Many thanks in advance for your proposals and advices.

Best regards

Beholder

Runemaster!

Definitely not a Runemaster.

A Warrior for example, but you will deal less damage than norsemen/trolls. On the other hand, dwarfs have more hitpoints.
You could also play a Berserker...

It's really up to you.

In my opinion (and i repeat, IMO !!!) dwarf are not the best race for every classes in mid... they just have higher const = more hit points.
as warrior is better to have str (for dmg) or dex (for block) higher, as berserker is better to have str higher, and why not quickness... as supporter u must have piety and dex high... etc etc...
Everyone need const, but imo it's not the first stat that u need high

Ps: sorry for my crappy english :p

gogo mighty dwarf thane with 50 parry 50 shield 28 stormcalling !!!

hmm dwarf melee hunter with sword spec could be an option . dunno if that would work on uth. even there norse would be a better choice^^

defiantly no caster. not much left - dwarf healer is lacking dex so its pretty much tanks only.

and tanks usually go either for high str , high dex or both . there is a reason why most people don´t dump their starting points into con

dwarf warrior with 15 points into con would give you the maximum possible hp in mid . but who is hitting a tank if the fight isn´t already over?and for soloing you will need a better defense ....

the few points less in str/dex won´t matter much if you got red spec buffs , but there is just no significant advantage in having a bit more con then either.

rolling a dwarf zerker is nothing but retarded. best damage dealer available - everything beside troll is gimped.no exception.

but hell there are even kobold skalds around - so do whatever you want.just find some rr7+ supporters and tickle your opponents to death.
worked for most mids so far

I think a dwarf would do pretty good as a Healer.
only the frostaff would get ya in dex and thats only by 5 Points lol only 5.

Now you will beat him by a good 15 con giving you alittle more hps to withstand tanks ^^ maybe just one more hit but hay.

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Now if you want to be Melee then i would vote for a Thane/Skald ^^

Both have lower damage tables any who. what makes them realy good is there RA's and there sub abiltys to help there group.

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out of the rest of the classes its easly can be said any other race would be a better choice. But if you just Realy Like the Dwarf Look then you should be fine with almsot any melee class you pick ^^

But stay away from Casters

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But i dont Think you can go wrong if you pick a Healer/Thane/Skald :+)

dwarf healer: 50 dex 60 pie / 110 class relevant points
frost healer: 55 dex 75 pie / 130 class relevant points

don´t think that 80 hp@ 50 make up for that. thats like an offhand hit more - yay. aug dex 1 + aug acu 3 for free . you have to spend 11 ra points extra just to be on par with the optimum - just for looks .


all mid weapons are 100% str based except staves,bows, spears and h2h.
dwarf tank: 60 str
troll tank: 100 str

well thats a difference of more than aug. str. 4 ! thats 20 ra points. so you pretty much start with realm rank -2l0

dwarf caster: 50 dex 60 pie / 110 class relevant points
frost caster: 55 dex 75 pie / 130 class relevant points
kobi caster : 70 dex 60 pie / 130 class relevant points

well i guess you got my point by now ^^

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from this point of view either savage or spear hunter would be the least horrible options.

bow is full dex based and the savages defensive skills are dex/qui based - so either way its gonna be gimped , but weaponskill-wise not that far behind.

i would prefer a savage but forget about respeccing into 2h at a higher rr

hope that stuff made sense to you.

Many thanks for your replies and your comments and advises. I think your comments confirm my fear, that if i absolutely want to play a dwarf, there are options to reduce the disadvantages a bit, but there is no class where a dwarf would be the best choice. Having 80 points in constitution without having a clear advantage in an additional very important skill (like strenghts or dextery) makes it senseless. If a dwarf would have at least extraordinary resitances could be a reason to play it, but as it is today, no way.

So i won't play a dwarf. I don't want to invest so much time in leveling a dwarf without having the best possible result.

Thanks again for your help.

Cheers,

Beholder

At classic times, dwarf was the usual race for a healer. After frostalf came in, people pickt that race or norse to be a bit less the first target race.

The problem in Daoc with constitution is, that all classes that get hit often dont get much hp per const point. And those classes that are the last to be hit get most hp each point. So tank will pick high constitution only for solo fight or pvm usually. And caster/healer would prefer more dex to heal/cc/kill an opponent instead of 28 more hp .

So the high con races like dwarfs or shar are usually picked more for the style than the really high end optimization of stats.

I am confident with my *gimp* Dwarfhealer Acu doesn´t make much of a difference at all on Uth (guess why most Healers won´t spec Aug Acu...) and those 5 points of Dex...well,not even Aug. Dex1.And i like the Style of Dwarfs
So have fun with whatever class/race you pick

every race has his advantages and disadvantages! ....ucant make anything wrong if u think about it. ...just dont choose a class where stats of your race cant be used. frostalf shadowblade for example (frostalf have PIE, what isnt usefull as SB)

Dwarfs...

... are perfect catapult ammunition!

Dwarf are good for healer cause they are really little, then they can hide on berzerk troll in fight, and cast celerity in peace

just one more stupid advice

Dwarfs are no good at all