relic would kill rvr... the people that wanna do level 50 rvr are not there to raid a difficult keep for hours without any fun...

keeps fight can be nice when there is nothing else to do but it certainly shouldnt be the main goal

Theres a alittle Circel of life for A Good RvR zone. If one of those are missing it tends to die.

Good RvR zone. To handle the Circel ^^ ( me personly i think Argamon is great, and how the keep system is atm )

But to get a good Circel this is what you need IMO.
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Solo,Duo spots. get the RvR started.

XP areas with nice XP bounces.

Relics something to earn.

Towers/Keeps Somthing to protect.

Named Mobs ( hard mobs ) giving decent loot.

Players to play with.

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each of those Helps get people out there. More Items that are in RvR more Options it gives for the Players to come out there.

But all in all its the players that make the server

hmm i must admit i was too lazy to read all this...but i can say, to get more ppl to end rvr, just close some bgs....since the bg caps have been upped, rvr is much more dead than before....

close those crappy bgs....sure you ll lose some players, but wil have the rest participating in endgame ...so called rvr ^^

just my 2-3 cents

well...the number of leaving players will be quite high because the xp rate is much too low for most players. I wouldnt remove the bgs...i would add some more and lower the lvl and cap rr range so you can only get 4 rps and lvl per bg. Adding a free level once per character for each bg for claiming keep ( or something like that it was on live if i remember right) youll have people in bgs but not as many as in our current bgs and lvl rate is much faster.

Salidor wrote:Theres a alittle Circel of life for A Good RvR zone. If one of those are missing it tends to die.

Good RvR zone. To handle the Circel ^^ ( me personly i think Argamon is great, and how the keep system is atm )

But to get a good Circel this is what you need IMO.
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Solo,Duo spots. get the RvR started.

XP areas with nice XP bounces.

Relics something to earn.

Towers/Keeps Somthing to protect.

Named Mobs ( hard mobs ) giving decent loot.

Players to play with.

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each of those Helps get people out there. More Items that are in RvR more Options it gives for the Players to come out there.

But all in all its the players that make the server

How should lvl spots help to get better rvr ?o.O

Edit:

The Zone is very good for uthgard. There is no problem with that, the problem is to find somewhere else.. there are mostly 150-230 players online at primetime and 10-20 of them are in Agramon ... U see where the problem is?;) When 50% of the players online on uthgard would be in Agramon there would be much better rvr then there would be solo grp and "zerg" rvr ... so we need the players to motivate to move their asses to Agramon and thats no doable by placing raid bosses or mobs in the rvr zone.. thats a player prob how to handle it? Dont know maybe make a RvR event ... just say rvr event in agramon on that and that date .. then they will log in agra and will see how much fun their could be like the easter event in ehm 2007 or 2006 ? ^^ dont know eheh was a emain event with more than 60 players in emain .. much fun

Blue wrote:Current leveling speed on Uthgard is not the problem. See that many players activate /xp off! So players in Thidranki get to 49,9 and /xp off. The argument of Furnus is not valid that 49->50 is such a hard way. It isnt if you already do RvR cause of quite large 500% XP bonus thats active.

Youre wrong about that. It's not hard to get from 49 to 50. Hell the easiest levels are 47-50!! Its problem to get up to those levels and btw it took us ~2-3 months around 5 hours per day to get to level 49. He is not doing RVR bcuz of 500% exp bonus its because there are VERY few active bards!. Two months isnt small amount of time! Leveling is most definitelly too slow...

I think those ppl with xpoff are certain chars designed for a special bg. And those usually level till levelcap and go to rvr then and make /xpoff. So they actually spend their time in pvm too.
I think increasing levelspeed (however) will actually improve the rvr situation. Even tho I have leveld over half a dozend chars on uthgard to level 50 and lot more to 40+ i still catch myselt to prefer getting some xp when df is finally open than to rvr.

I am leveling my char waiting to go on RVR, this is the part of i love of the game, but is so slow rise lvls if u dont have 10 hours per day to play

by the way...XPoff doesnt meant the XP are off...

you dont get the normal XP..as it should be
you GET bonus XP for successfull actions of your realm even with /XP off
you dont get the area XP (DF)...as it should be.

so when you typed /XP off and your realm owns the BG in your levelrange you get XP in ANY WAY no mather you want them or not.

@malle

It bring people to the RvR Zone.

If they get farmed they ask for help bring even More people to the RvR zone.

its part of the so called Circel.

I'll tell you the truth.

I don't rvr anymore in Agramon because my class is never wanted. I get my face kicked in quickly and my classes pets were never finished.

So, I created a acceptable class that groups want and gets invited almost always. I just dont have it in me to XP to 50 again. I have a nice RL and leveling to 50 again is just Work. I work 50 hours a week for cash and I dont get paid here. This is suppose to be fun.

I goto Bg's to be competitive for my level and have fun!

I bet this is the same for 50% of the server. I want to rvr in agramon but I just dont have the time or will to grind for 8 hours a day. I have seen every spot on the server except Legion and that is due again to my class. "No enchanters on Legion raids".

So if you all that have 6 lvl 50's like luecke want to shut down the BG's then you will be very lonely, very fast. I would like to add I bet you all leveled those before the big BG bonuses were yanked.

Making this a I50 would be stupid. People would make every class then be gone in 2 weeks but if you want more people in Agramon then beef up the XP. The RVR xp is nice but the winners in a fight don't usually need xp. Its the losers that need the xp.

Conclusion, more xp would mean more rvr in agramon. period.

Take out the /xp command.

agree add denasti .. simply add a little bonus that new people can get into agra by normal playing in 2-3 weeks ... would really improve the rvr and server quality.

well... why are bg so popular?
why is agra so empty?

maybe look at it from a different angle?

taking out bg will not result in more fun in agra.. it will result in an empty server.. well, not empty but i think population will go down a lot.

bg are popular cause people have loads of fun there, that's what makes uth diffrerent, and makes people play here, well not all people, lets say 80% of the uth population...

you never hear them complain, they come home from work or shool, log in for a few hours of fun, and that's what they get...

close bg and they will start playing other games or find something else to do..

every single thing that has been done, trying to force people to go high end rvr has resulted in a sertain loss of players,

on the other hand, i understand the people having a high lv and rr char, they are stuck in agra and hate the fact that the ennemy they used to kill with ease are having fun in thid atm.. they feel a bit lonely i guess...

so the question should not be: how do we force people to go agra?

it should be: what can be done to make agra more fun, so they want to come here...?

a lot can be done without gm's having to change half the server...

first, a change of mentality...

i remeber that my guild started a rvr shool long ago (emain time)
we asked albs to join us, asked experienced players to take low rr or less experienced players in grp and tell em how to fight in a rvr grp, we made bg to communicate between the other grp's, but we got flamed by the "elite grps" and they even told us they would stay in tk and way't for the death spamm... cursing us for killing rvr... even if we told them we would only do it one evening a week, hoping to motivate some of the new players to do more rvr during the other day's....

so after one evening we stopped the whole concept... it was a nice idea, but it got killed by the ones who are still whining they need more players in agra....

why do people refuse to grp someone in epic armor? even if that player knows his char very well and is working on spellcrafted high end gear?

why are there people telling me they don't go agra cause the char they spent months to lvl is not wanted in rvr grp's?

maybe it's cause high end rvr still needs perfect setup to be any fun?
or the argra players just wan't someone to kill, not others to steal kills from their grp..

getting more players in agra will just result in the same grp's owning everyone over and over again, and whining cause others log to bg cause they can't compete with the elite grp's roaming agra..

changing thid was a very good thing, if you get out of there you have decent rr and getting lvl 50 is near...

so why are there so little players going to agra after thid?

i think that is the main question....

you can't force people to go there.. so try to find a way to make them want to go there... this is the only thing that can be done, all other solutions will end up in people leaving the server...

just my 2 cents
as usual

50's RvR is realy awesome.
I dont understand them, who say: Uhh lol you have to be 4L2 before you lvl up to 50! But no!

I think it would be a very good idea to delete the bg's.
Because there woud not be twinking for bgs, just lvl 50, sc and go.

I mean... why bgs?
DAoC Big RvR is the best you can ever play

Thats true but the way to lvl 50 is just to hard on uthgard. Thoses bgs give you a chance to gain some exp, rps and have some fun besides leveling. And with rps leveling becomes easier too.