Unfortunately the 2H thread was already closed.

On my 49 SB, PA with a slow 2H Axe is giving only 10% more damage compared to Axe/LA PAs. I have tested this on the dummies.

On live server it used to be in the 30-50% range higher damage output.

2H bonus is definitly buggy at least for crit spec.

As a SB it is useless to use a 2H because with increased delay you do not really gain damage.

PA is a rigid formula where you always get cap damage on Uth. So you just tested the cap damage.

Yes, that is correct.

Perforate Artery Cap = 75 + Critical Strike Spec * 9 + Nonstyle Cap

Backstab II Cap = 45 + Critical Strike Spec * 6 + Nonstyle Cap

Backstab I Cap = ~5 + Critical Strike Spec * 14 / 3 + Nonstyle Cap


(taken from Wyrd)


And that is what I am saying. 2H must be buggy. If I remember correctly there is a 15% damage bonus for 2H plus the increased damage due to longer weapon delay.
So why do I get only 10% more cap damage?

Weapon quality matters. Make both tests with same weapn quality again. Dont know about dummy, but in live fight my 49 SB can kill 49 unbuffed reaver in 3 hits (pa/cd/ss) with 2h 99% 5.5 axe, and not with 2 lh 99% cleavers. Tested with 47 debuff and 45 DOT though..

Overall SB is by far the most solo melee dmg dealer on uthgard, and if played right can solo any other solo class. I remember back when Thid was capped at 46, my 46 SB could win /duels with lvl 50 tanks using 4 cleavers..

PA with crippling/desease, switch both weapons to dubuff/dot, CD, SS, restealth, PA, CD (if target isnt dead yet), SS (should be dead by now).

Anyway, i'm getting heavy off topic here..

Thanks for the fast replies!

I played a RR5 SB on live server and I loved to 1hit casters...
2H PAs made significantly more damage than LA PAs

@ Rose
I am using all lvl 51 MP weapons (2H 5,5, Main 4,2, Offhand 2,9)

@Razzer
That's correct.
Digged a little more into the subject and found the following (taken from Lyrre)

The shadowblade is the only of the three assassin classes that can equip a twohanded weapon, this is a midgard inherit ability and not a class defining ability.
When equipping a twohanded weapon the leftaxe modifier is nullified and plays no role in damage dealt, very obvious but worth mention
There is a twohander basedamage adjustment much like the Left Axe modifier and the formula is:

X+[(S * A)]=Y
where X=110% (this 10% bonus to basedamage is granted in all three realms when equipping a twohanded weapon)
S = Weapon spec + items + RR
A = adjustment /train which is 0.5%
Y = Total basedamage

For example:
A shadowblade equips a twohanded sword, and he is specced 44+15 in sword, we plug in this into the twohanded formula and get: 110 + (59 * 0.5) = 139.5% basedamage, compared to if the shadowblade had been using a onehanded weapon of the same speed and with the same dps.

When the server is up again I will some testing on base damage.

It think the only thing you've found out is that spec doesnt matter in the cap formula. The spec definitely is considered in normal damage output that is not capped and you get to e.g 0.5%*50+10% => 35% bonus to normal damage.

If PA wouldnt give Cap Damage everytime you would clearly see a difference.

Thanks for your replies.

I have done some testing on the dolls, which fully confirms the above mentioned formulas. The difference between 2H PA and axe/LA PA is exactly the difference in base damage.

My 2H PA cap is 928 and for axe/LA it is 826. Taking into account the longer delay of the 2H weapon, a 2H PA does not really make sense.

Thread can be closed.

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