Cespx wrote:The only solution and the only good answer is GO AGRA. 49 lvl Thidranki with rr4.2 (?) cap has been created for all those players who flamed "i cant participate in high rvr with such a low rr". Now i dont see ANY of those Thid pros playing in Agra and it's not the map's fault. It is AGAIN players who create rvr and it would be nice to stop flaming and get down to work on your 50lvl sc.

honestly, i dont think that 2 RR bubbles higher cap in thid will help those players who thought their RR is too low for 50 RVR.it's nice to have,... not essential. But the 49.5 cap Helps i think.... so they dont have to confront the fact that they dont find any grp in Agra with 47, like it weas before the BG cap changes.

i would welcome a solution wheres no RR cap in Thid, as it is in Agra. so ppl can fight thid to defend the xp bonus from 44 to 49, and in Agra they can get and defend the access to DF.im sure a few months with this thid/agra setting will show what and how players like to play.

to solve the "im annoyed by solo runnig miles over bridges and hundrets of possible ambushes til im inside the actual Agra RVR zone" - problem, i think it would help to do a fix port point at milegates, so u can begin there after release, and dont have to run (without speed) from emain to alb/midland in the worst case.
( i know there are stable's to use,.. but to spend 2 hard earned Bp's just to try getting this 2 points back by find a non High RR grp or some solos to farm sounds not very motivating to me. at least when i dont have 15k Bp's like some High RR's do.)



"the solution is to GO AGRA,..." well,... it could be a solution, maybe it solves the problem just by take part on 50 RVR. but as long ppl feel that they will have more fun, more balanced fights even with uneven grps, and absolutely no waiting time between incs, compared to 50 RVR, they will begin to xp the next char, to start having BG fun again, and again.
most realyze that they will never be able to reach RR's like Holz, necator or Thunfishy, specially not when they try to get RP's by running against those High RR's till some get ****** off and log. so they begin to see their endgame content in having as much fun as possible, instead of reaching rr12. and obviously the will find that not in Agra.

after all i dont wanted to create a flame thread, i just wanted to express my experience in a (i hope not too) honest way.

Totaly against removing RR cap in Thid.This would mean the deadblow to Agra.

Well actually i would say...theres one point that would make me say yes,remove it.If i would be allowed to enter Thid with my Char And all the other 50s that participate in Agra RvR aswell.If its only Thid and the fact that you find inc there anytime,those players having fun there wouldn´t change much would it?

Fg of rr5+ farming 49 gimps yaaaaayyy

mfassben wrote:Totaly against removing RR cap in Thid.This would mean the deadblow to Agra.

Thats why i would welcome this. I know that it would not be the "final solution" of all the 50 RVR Probs. But it would show that Agramon as it is now, has no chance to be even with Thidranki if u look at the Fun Factor.

and Fun is what counts for all those RR Lowbies,and we are many. we have no other option than count on Fun, cuz we have no place where all the RRlowbies of all the realms can fight each other to high RR without getting ganked 4 example by a high RR7+ healer healer healer + some Det4tanks + shamigrp or by the Blue Red Alb Imbaschlumpfgrp.

So basically you say that since you can´t compete with those players you want them to not have fun and play without them Nice!Way to go Instead of trying to be competitive you choose the easy way and want to keep them from playing with you...don´t know what to say about that.

well... they can play with themselves, and with each other, can't they?

Thats not how it works Monty.You can´t simply say that players that play better than you may not participate in RvR.Would be like punishing those that know how to kill bossmobs with a few players by deleting random loot inside their Inventory when they come with a number below 16 Players.

mfassben wrote:So basically you say that since you can´t compete with those players you want them to not have fun and play without them Nice!Way to go Instead of trying to be competitive you choose the easy way and want to keep them from playing with you...don´t know what to say about that.

If "Fun" means to all the High RR's to keep chainkilling lowbie grps,then ur right, i try to avoid any contact, cuz 4 me it isn't that funny to run against a invisible wall again and again,like a fly whos try'n to get behind a window.

If they have Fun in agra killing grps on same RR, its fine,... they can do that 24/7 i dont mind

u talk bout the easy way. be honest, the 50's are the first who log when something's not "perfect", it can be a setup with a lowbie in it that can break a grp intwo, or just a stronger opponent, after 2,3 wipes they all log cuz, as i said before, most time, either no one dies (victory) or all Die without having gained a single RP (wipe). if there r 3, 4 wipes most 50's begin to flame each other how gimp they are and leave, even in a Guildgrp.

Only reason agra sucks is because of high RR self-proclaimed "pro" elitist assholes shouting "NO ADD", arranging 8v8 fights via irc and hating your guts because you're there ruining their RP farmfest (oh noes they might lose 100 RP because you're "adding"!), they refuse to group with people outside their own elitist butthole circle because they think they're too good or something, the list goes on. You'll never see any of this in any lower battleground. From a hibernian point of view.

You may avoid this RvR,but you may not keep those players from having fun by keeping players inside an RvR Area forever, those players can´t enter anymore.As i said,if you do not want a RR cap for Thid anymore,fine,but then let anyone Enter it.

Another thing:I bet there are some players that do not like the way you play or your class because you beat them most of the time.Should these players now be allowed to ban both your Char and your class form the Game?No?Why should it be another way for you then?

And even one more thing:If all those Thid/Brae/Wilton Players actually just participated in Agra RvR there would be loads of enemys for everyone.But instead they prefer to stay in BGs forever to not give those bad bad players that put more effort into the game then them RPs.

Besides,i run out in non perfect grps, i do not log out if i wiped in most cases if there is at least a small chance to have success I even try to have fair fights and to not outnumber my enemy if theres any possibility to do so.

don't forget, a lot of those high rr players gained their rr easy mode, when money was all over the place, where you could farm money for MP arlor in 1 day, all the worldbuild that makes the game harder started like 1 year ago, bugfixes are the same..

2 years ago emain was the only bg around, everyone tried to xp there and got farmed over and over by those guy's, giving them easy rp and making em stronger and stronger...

i remeber the times when at night there where only 5 to 10 albs on, and we tought server was full

we went to emain with df stuff and crappy grps, tryiong to xp a bit, and got killed as soon as they found us....

these day's you can't compare rvr with the early day's, if you don't play your toon 100% as it should be played, if you get crappy grp, if you don't have high rr there is no way you will survive as soon as the uber grp's log in...

and don't tell me the don't go bg, they just wait for fresh meat and log to agra to farm rp's....

maybe it's sad to say, but it are those few high rr perfect grp's that kill rvr in agra, not the majority of players avoiding them...

So i want to ask all of those poor thid players when they plan to reach high rr? What's high rr for them?

And monty i dont want to be rude but your post is a bullshit. You think it was so easy to get rps? I remember running 10hours a day with my vw and the good result was ~15-20k rps. Now it's possible to gain 10k rps in an hours cause of new rp system.
You're albs so maybe you remember those "good days" in alb where styles were bugged. Where 2h sword had so big agro that it wasnt possible to lvl. Where all archer pets where bugged so you couldnt lvl on them. Or maybe you're talking about situation where high rr was rr4?
Thing are changing but you cant definately say it was easy mode before and now it's hardcore. We had pros and cons of that situation in the past and so we have now.

And just btw. maybe it's sometimes better to focus on 1 char and make it high rr than to lvl another char after reaching thid rr cap? Irony?

Cespx wrote:I remember running 10hours a day with my vw and the good result was ~15-20k rps.

Sure.

i plan to get high RR with much fun as possible.when this will be, depends on many factors,... will there be a laggy zone as it is now? do i have to run that long as i have to now? must i have a bad conscience when i do run with more player than 8? can i have action there more than every 25minutes for 5 Minutes?is there enough low RR inc to fight against in the 20 mins HighRR's need to reg their cooldown's after they killed u? will the general mentality be as it is in 50' rvr?.do i have to get a bad conscience when i see some realmmates fighting and run in to help? or add?

its all a question of which point of view u look at the situation. im sure if i had a rr7+ char, and maybe 1 braechar which i dont like to play, i wanted to have more action in 50 rvr zone. but i have no rr7+, and i have no chance to get even RR's with the "old" players, cuz u i have to kill them to gain,... whats almost impossible cuz high RRs build high RR grps, and the rest run's around as appetizer between the major high RR meals. if this server had 500 players online ,150 lvl 50's and 15 from them are high RR its absolutely ok. the chance that u get ganked 2 times in a row from same grp is very tiny. but we have here not that much player that can fill up the empty spaces between the high RR grps roaming around.

Maybe some still dont understood me,... i give a f... bout RR's i want fun.
but its not easy to have some, as a 0815 4l2 char in a guild without high RR's who could take u in grp, to make sure that u will experience success in this holy lvl 50 Battlegrounds.

Flamingfury wrote:

Cespx wrote:I remember running 10hours a day with my vw and the good result was ~15-20k rps.

Sure.

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Phonik... It takes TIME to reach high rr nothing more. Ask "new" albs how fast they've reached rr5. Look at my menta who entered Emain rvr with lvl 4X and rr2! cause there was no thid BG. I got wiped many times but between those wipes i was able to kill some players. RR comes with time and i'm no longer so low. Just need to be patient~~