Well, I won't flame about Vw but when you are playing RvR and test day by day if you see strange things usually result in something was wrong in calculations like Reaver, Savage or a lot of things that have been corrected. If a class is OP is important to check why becouse the balance is the most important think of this game i think.

I'm just wondering if it's ok and gave some detaills.

Plz do not start with balanced problems, save them for when necro, bd and animist will be fully implemented

AFAIK there are 3 kinds of AF buffs:
1- Raise your af to a max lv cap (at lv 50 cloth 545, leather 595, chain 635, plate no idea ). These buffs are the base af buff of all buffer classes and base shield of all casters. This mean that you can use this buffs only to reach the capped af of your kind of armor
2- "overcap" af buff which increase the max af over your armor cap, and I know just
- Charge af (value 50)
- Cleric spec af (last one 67+ buff spec bonus)
- Special classes af (hunters, scouts, paladin self shield)
3- Paladin group chant af

So you can have max 3 af buffs in albion, while in other 2 realms you can get you cap armor af +50 of charge OR +64/52 of af buff for rangers/hunters

So a valewalker should have the max af of cloth (545) and the af charge buff (545+50=595) for a total of leather-armor af

Hi, i have no buffs in this fight only dex/qui charge str/con pot and af charge...

On live AF caps of the armor types are:

cloth : 250AF unbuffered, 500 self AF.

leather : 550 AF.

studded : 595 AF.

chain/scale : 635 AF.

plate : 670 AF.

On live also effective magic ABS are halved vs the own ABS of the armor type, meaning that a vw with 33% magic ABS dont count as a plate wearer. looks like more simolar to studded weared (33/2 ~ 17% abs).

My vw on live with fully TOA´s (25% extra bonus to AF) has a cap of 635 AF. With out TOA cap AF will be 575 AF (500 base +75 charge)

Thats on live. Dunno in Uthgard caps are about 50AF highter and magic ABS are double effective.

Quara.

Well, many players hit me much harder than you (Rotbart without buffs for 170 as an example) so maybe the right way is to check how their're doing it?:)

Hedra wrote:570 with self AF
645 with self AF + AF charge
By the way it's the same for every caster isn't it ?

This can explain vw "strange" defense, 70 af and 16% abs more

Yes the caster AF seems too high, but absorb / 2 ?

I never read anything like this ...

Murks wrote:

Rapiz wrote:A valewalker who is able to nuke and have some other great advantages (root, AF...etc.), cloth wearer, shouldn't deal more damage in melee than a pure tank and receive less in my opinion, then who wanna play a pure tank? Maybe this is a clue why hib groups 90% "tanks" are Valewalkers.

In albion you have alot of reaver as tanks in group, in midgard you have savages as tanks in group...in rvr and pvm...this 3 classes are special and make alot of damage...more than a standard tank...and i think its ok, its a SI class and there is no reason to discuss about it. SI classes have more abilities, are stronger...

This week we discuss about the valewalker and next week we take the reaver...or the savage...and dont forget the bonedancer...

sorry but this comment is really silly...
savage was long time the only mid damage dealer because zerker did too less damage...
Reaver is often twf bot and was easy to exp a long time. Which class else could hit mobs for 200dmg at level 20.
Valewalker is still bugged and was also able to exp pretty fast by bugged ae procs.
You cant explain bugs with: "It's SI and skills are too complicated to me"
If there is a bug it needs to be fixed instead of being discussed.

just today i fought a lvl50 vw in a small grp (no druid-so no bof) with my armsman . hitting for 140 with a positional every 6 seconds is not really why i specced polearms.
and of couse he hits plate armor(af charge up-no cleric in grp) for 360+ without a proc or crit - even at a faster rate. it was ridiculous.(i am wearing an 99-100% quality sc´d lvl51 armor and usually hit scale for at least 300 styled)

i can just repeat what pirith already pointed out . a hybrid hitting and casting at an equal level of full casters/tanks while having the ability to
absorb damage equal to perma bof3 really should make you think.
oh yeah they got low hp - but thats only an advantage if you fight em as
a caster - or their "low" hp is worth twice as much cause of the insane absorb.

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quote from a vw guide

As most of you that play the Valewalker class know, we wear cloth with our own AF and absorb buff. Our natural AF is one of the lowest in the game (cloth is 51 AF per piece and all other types are 102 AF, at there highest LvL), and even with the 250AF buff still limits us to an overall 500AF (I should note that Hybirnian support class AF buffs do not stack on Valewalker self AF buffs, but rumor has it that Cleric Spec AF buffs will. This of course this is only useful on the PvP or co-op servers).
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The 33% absorb buff is the best of its type in game. However after much reading and debate the only thing I can tell you, without rampant speculation, is that the combination of AF and absorb is good, but unlike the 33% absorb might suggest our ability to take damage is not what the 33% absorb might suggest. My best guess is that we are close to scale in terms of our ability to absorb damage overall, possibly a little less (subject, of course, to the rampant speculation I was just taking about).
Our barely adequate armor configuration is further hindered by the fact that Valewalkers are on a fairly low HP table.

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(cap-af)
For a 50 VW
1.00 x 50 x 10 = 500
for realm rank 5, just use 51 as level.
1.00 x 51 x 10 = 505
(plus 33% abs)

source :
http://camelotvault.ign.com/?dir=guides ... valewalker

so it should be 505 + 75 (from spec af) tops ! and not 645 AF - that alone is a big deal. and i am almost sure that the absorb buff even got buffbonus on it that it shouldn´t have.

^^
If you didnt notice i've already reported all bugs known by me.
To our fight and your armsman. Firstly i was fullbuffed (ward bases + d/q charge + str/con charge). Secondly i have pretty low qui (no stat bonus from items) which makes my dmg higher. Thirdly it was 5.5spd scythe that made 350+ dmg.

And at last my af (bugged af) is 575 (i dont use af charges) dunno where you get this 645~~

If you want to get full results of VW dmg and proc dmg make some tests and finally stop flaming. VW was easier to exp with bugged procs? ? Again procs were fixed long time ago. Our procs are: 3rd hit side chain, 3rd hit evade chain, 3rd hit parry chain, 2nd hit after detaunt (lvl 50 perfect for lvling...) So i can sure you it wasnt easier to lvl valewalker than as example champ or hero. Do you want more? 1.5 year ago valewalker had wrong styles (4 hits evade chain) and the best option to lvl was spamming taunt on every enemy. Still that easy? Guys...

Just btw. i'm still asking myself why nobody flames about still non-working offensive proc from Valewalker?^^

40 quickness - no haste 5.7 thrust pole hitting on neutral armor and you want to tell me that i am supposed to do 140 on you with positionals, mkay.

731 af (with af charge) 34% absorb on plate and you hit me for more than twice my damage as a hybrid.

if this doesn´t ring a bell i dunno what will.

salbei wrote:40 quickness - no haste 5.7 thrust pole hitting on neutral armor and you want to tell me that i am supposed to do 140 on you with positionals, mkay.

731 af (with af charge) 34% absorb on plate and you hit me for more than twice my damage as a hybrid.

if this doesn´t ring a bell i dunno what will.

This cleary ain't a flame, just a fact statement.
And it clearly shows something ain't right ... I'm sure he's hitting for more on any other class.

crappy spec, crappy items?:) If you dont know what to do ask another players how they are able to deal 180 dmg on me (Rotbart). And if you still think there is something wrong just TEST it... 10 hits chat log doesnt say anything on Uthgard.

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and of course 140 on valewalker ^^

all of em are 50 and all wear chain armor.

they have no resists