sorry luecke,but u dont have any idea. play alb or mid on lv 50 rvr urself,then talk again.

if there is a grp of albs going out,they are farmed by (low rvr mb-holz-grps) at least 1 hib grp. then a second hib grp will come to further disencourage them. and u wonder why they log out? even when they try to defend their keep, and both towers get attacked, every one by a fg, and they rush out to fight against one of them,the second will add.. bc the others are too low to stand against the damn albs etc.

yeah.. right.. hibs are not zerging.. hibs are the best and fairest rvr´ers out there. ****** on it..really. 8vs8 is a stinky fart in the air of rvr. it ruins everything in the way its going on in the last time. mid grps only come out with 4! healers and rest dmgdealers,whats enough on midside,bc they simply do massive dmg (2h-weapon on troll with haste+cele f.e.) in short time. yawn.

so why dont u try to run 6vs8 instead sometimes?so the other grps can have at least a chance? nono..8vs8 is it..thats the perfect uber-setup everyone needs..

there are allways hints n tips how to get better rvr, made by ppl who only miss their enemys,which they could farm..yeah..get back emain..it was sooo funny to camp the atk.. but have u ever played highlevel rvr with other realms? have u met the ppl out there who are not on your realmside and spoken to them? it seems u never did.

lets remember inquisition. this littl nifty mids powergamer-gang that came to alb (sethor in it,and many others).. they tried it.. and they failed,bc they saw they dont stand any chance against the high-rr-grps.they gave us soooo many tips how to do it better.. they did and did and did..and did it help them? no. so..how will u get high-rr players in rvr,if u allways slaughter them with ur -high-rr-grps and dont let them earn some rps instead? u let them kill 1 of your grp (1500/8) and get in the same moment much more rps (1500*8)..so..again..tell us about fair rvr and how u wanna get it.

many ppl left this shard,bc they have been ******. we allready had that in many threads. these ppl have been quite good rvr-ppl in the community..and that was not bg-rvr, it was emain etc. so now they are missing.. and we simply have to wait a bit until there are new player to fill this slots.

its not all black and white only. there are some colours beside.. we all are humans and we try to have some fun. and if u dont have fun, u look for what is killing it,and just stop that. or u go n seek other places to have some fun.braemar rvr f.e. is more fun than high level rvr.. but why? 1. levelrange..max 30. 2nd. RR-Range.. max 2l0.. 3rd u can reach lv 30 quite fast with a good setup. 4th: u dont need a perfect group to win,just some organisation.

so..what will be the fun in highlevel rvr? keepdefense is not working correct, bc the Z-Axis is still missing, and u dont get any bonus for standing on a keepwall in range. viper-highcs-assasins just walk into the keep and kill everything in sight with their dot and pa, bc the damage is bugged. etc etc. we all know these posts on the forums here.
there are too many things you can count on,which are ruining high level rvr. and its not the staff,who tries to give the ppl good rvr zones. its just the way some ppl think and the slow coding. but as i said to one of the irc-users yesterday.. just go n code it if u think its that easy..get some skill in it and help blue and others.

for me atm its just that way: RL >DAoC. ill play max 1 hour per day,so i cant join dragonraids, neither rvr etc. and sometimes i start thinking about stopping DAoC completely.

Luecke first rule : If you play 1 realm only your opinion never will be true ..
you can have good overview for such things only when you play at least 2 realms

@danger do you know yourself the situation in rvr for alb or mid as you say?

i have not really the same opinion that you. the 3 realms are the same. sometimes nothing to do, sometimes nice rvr, sometimes zerg...

sure there is less high RR on alb and that seems most of the mid ones left... but RR is not realy important. the high RR hib group as you call them are not impossible to kill. even with random groups, even with chars not 50 in group we did it and will do again.

you cry about some people that are not fair to play 8vs 8 and should kick 2 players out of the group to be fairer. and your signature is "rvr= all the realm vs all the other realm. don't you think there is a problem in what you say?

fex times ago, sure we were missing good players on alb and in other realms there were often good setups. but now that seems different. we play a bit better maybe and lot of random or not very good players groups poped in others realm and so it's possible to do some nice rvr.

if some of the best players left cause the rvr area changed and their perfect fighters group doesnt work anymore in anycase, i won't cry, some others players can enjoy rvr now

At luecke: If keepcampers are the majority and they voted for agramon, it's the choice of the majority and should be respected. ( and for the record I am one of those supposed awfull keepcampers, but I voted for old emain though)

I agree with blue that a smaller zone would be better, cause finding some action is hard atm.

At the moment in my experience rvr is slightly better as it was in emain, Cause with the current setup getting a tower or keep means something, as in to open a milegate, teleport possibilities etc.

For the rest I'm just waiting for uth staff to do their best, wich I have no doubt about, to make it better.

i dno,im just wordless....tottaly....after lueckes post...
Our little kickass low rr alb grp gets zerged down by mb + ba constantly,WTH are u talking about hibs getting zerged ?
Thats like.....i mean......comeon
Actualy,nevermind, this topic will roll off to the flame side aswell and wont get out ^^
See u online and have a nice day;)

I think that the rvr-system is quiet good as it is now, its just a bit to big at all.

As Blue supposed, i think its a good idea to place the realm-tk on agra-bridges.
My idea is that we build a Keep WITH Walls on the middle platform of agra and further the 3 towers near the Laby-Tower BEHIND the MG.

Further i would suppose, bc Agramon-RVR-Zone has to little lvl-spots, to switch DF to free for ALL realms with decent XP-Bonus, like 15% or so.
This would have the effect that we can make 8vs8/HIGH-RVR/Keep-Fights in Agramon and low-lvl/small-grp/solo could make rvr in DF.
The decent bonus in DF is founded on the reason that u have an anytime-rvr-situation and u can be killed everytime.

Further, bc the tower/keep shouldnt be useless^^, i would say that each tower ur realm owns should give another 10%XP and 5%RP-Bonus and Keep should give 20%xp ad 10%Rp bonus.
These are just numbers for example as i would set them.

These changes arent very big but think they can change alot i think.

At least sry i know my english is not perfect but i hope ull understand it ^^.
If not maybe i could send someone a german version and he could translate it better.
But i think my main points are clear

To Danger:

I believe it was yesterday when we were only five in our (hib) group and decided to venture out anyway. At bledmeer we (finally) found someone and woops.....we got wiped by 9 albs. At that point we decided to wait for more people and ventured out again untill we were a full group.
It just doesn't work that way to go out with whatever you have.

I think most of you are just confused about the meaning of zerging...

" Oh we was wiped by an 9 alb zerg, omg! this sucks..."

In my opinion, the three realms can get a fg at most cases... well hib more often but i see ussually, when not added or so... a nealy-balanced rvr in most incs.

for those that are calling hibs keepcampers, yeh they are, but:

We camp
You camp
They camp
We zerg
You zerg
They zerg

As i said one realm more often that others but...

Anyway, i'd only change the too big map, doen't matter which one... Agramon (only), old emain...at least while we ussually have not more than 3-4 fgs + solos+ adds on the battlefield.

Vlad wrote:I think most of you are just confused about the meaning of zerging...

" Oh we was wiped by an 9 alb zerg, omg! this sucks..."

Actually I know well enough what a zerg is. I was just stating that it's pointless to run with anything less than a fg at primetime.