Just an idea and as we know wilton is a dead BGs for ages. Why not having a bg for 15-35 (braemar like) or something else. And no more wilton. This would get the community closer, and we could start for example getting thid at level 35 or somewhat?

And as I know, on live as far as I played in it's was level 15 at least to get into BG, what's normal. Don't tell me you start to doing RvR at 15- I'll laugh at you. But from albion, a lot of people would see wilton removed. And as you removed bonus in BG, never from the time you did it I saw a soloer or group in wilton during my runs. So my theug stay at his level 31 doing no fun. This bg is so dull and everyone know it, we only take the keep for the bonus of it.

It's only a suggestion and if everyone would share their idea maybe we could get something good?

best regards,
Mazh

remove all bgs, except thidranki to prevent ppl from playing there and instead coming to end rvr !!

Better yet, remove lv50 RvR, so that this pitifully small yet vocal minority of players can stop roaming empty zones crying that noone wants to play victim for them, and join the rest of us enjoying ourselfs in the BGs

The goal of Uthgard is to bring people playing 50 BGs, not thind. Even if actually, there is a lot of people there. But 50 battle are for my part 80% more funnies than those thids battles when you got a proper group and if finaly people would get out of their small BGs. When I see people getting some 50 and even playing one of them to RvR

Weia -> The kobold that was yelling for help every seconds in thid?

btw, I agree zone are bigger, and all waiting these new change. I asked the staff if the keep system were gonna stay ( home keep + 1 keep to defend) but seems not. But a lot of players loving it, just that... too large.

regards.

Poor dead horse. Being whipped mercilessly...

I'm not doing a negative post, would like to know what people think of Wilton BG as it is for it. No more arguments are necessary to know that 4 BGs is might large a bit for the small community we got here, and at only specific hours, I'm from can, and never you'll see at least 1 inc at wilton or even at agramon or a fg romaing at those hours. Unfortunately, and impossible xD btw. ^^ Good day.

my opininion : close this hypocritical bgs

Weia -> The kobold that was yelling for help every seconds in thid?

thats the only thing he is famous for, even in 50rvr ^^

agree @Mazh

As Wilton is pretty empty and a Braemar 1-36(or)38 would bring a load of lvl 30 characters nearer to higher lvl (36 is nearer to 50 than 30 , i think this is a good idea.

Beside this an increase of the xp cap (>500%) in the bgs braemar and Thidranki would bring ppl faster to agramon, and therefor I would also abolish /xp off (which i am using aswell to be honest).

We will not close the battlegrounds. Instead of closing them, we are thinking of expanding to all battlegrounds on live for 2 reasons:

* The levelranges of 1-30 and 31-40 are too big
* The focus for RvR in case that there is no action in NF, has moved to Braemar during the past months/year. We want to route the community back to other places in NF or Darkness Falls and want to devalue the battlegrounds.

Of course there are good arguments against that plans, just like the size of the new maps. As a matter of facts, you can not enjoy RvR on Uthgard up to level ~25. Almost every leveler looks forward to becoming level 30 during all levels until 30. Braemar has become something like a mini endgame RvR. Aall levelranges should have the same chances for rvr instead of leveling all the time.

1-38 in Braemar? Why not 1-50?

Nayru wrote:We will not close the battlegrounds. Instead of closing them, we are thinking of expanding to all battlegrounds on live for 2 reasons:

Um, even more BGs ? Even though I like the BGs, I still think it might be a bad idea. It's a huge change, so the result seems a bit too unpredictable for my taste. Will be interesting to see how that turns out.

* The levelranges of 1-30 and 31-40 are too big
* The focus for RvR in case that there is no action in NF, has moved to Braemar during the past months/year. We want to route the community back to other places in NF or Darkness Falls and want to devalue the battlegrounds.

Devalue the battlegrounds (*cry*) Why destroy the one good thing you have ? Just try to make the other RvR zones as good as Braemar, and you have all problems solved.

Of course there are good arguments against that plans, just like the size of the new maps. As a matter of facts, you can not enjoy RvR on Uthgard up to level ~25. Almost every leveler looks forward to becoming level 30 during all levels until 30. Braemar has become something like a mini endgame RvR. Aall levelranges should have the same chances for rvr instead of leveling all the time.

1-38 in Braemar? Why not 1-50?

QFT. Don't think it can be said any better really



And since the board seems to have eaten my previous post without further comment or note:

Jonty1983 wrote:my opininion : close this hypocritical bgs

Weia -> The kobold that was yelling for help every seconds in thid?

thats the only thing he is famous for, even in 50rvr ^^

Oh well, Jonty, one is 'only famous for that' , the next one is only famous for exploiting. I sure know what I like better

Mazh wrote: (..) The goal of Uthgard is to bring people playing
50 BGs (..)

My main goal is having fun and for me it's long time ago I had fun with
my level 50 chars (exempt crafting). And I think the most people do like
that - searching for fun.

Nayru wrote: (..) Instead of closing them, we are thinking of
expanding to all battlegrounds on live for 2 reasons (..)

Less BGs - Closing Wilton:

If you choose 2 or less BGs you will work against the sence of the BGs -
having RvR on a nearly same basis. Increasing the level ranges of the
BGs is a small step to having no BGs.

What's your reason to do that? Because it's empty?
Why the player shoudn't have an unused offer (wilton) and possibilities
with more fun (Braemar + Agramon)?

Remember the first passage - people play because of fun.

More BGs - like Nayru said:

An interesting possibility, but I don't know if there are more pros or cons.
If this will be implemented there are more offers and there are 2 possible
situations.

1. The player have fun in all BGs and Agramon. There will be a population
in all BGs and the average population per BG will decrease. Agramon will
be afflicted with that possibility.

2. There are main BGs where the people have more fun and maybe level
some twinks to stay there. In this case the average population of a BG
will be higher, maybe the same size as it is now. But on the other side
there will be empty Bgs.

In both situations you have to split a fixed limited comunity to more
offered BGs/Agramon.


Take a long view and don't decide to fast - it will change uthgard.

...and, always remember: The current emptyness of the BG's (especially Wilton) has one main reason --> No attraction to be there.

Wilton is a levelthrough BG. It always was. There never was really much action there but it wasn't empty. Now it's completely deserted. The reason is quite obvious: There is not a single attraction for a low/mid30 char to be there. He does not get any XP bonus, he does not get any loot and he risks being killed by a high30 char (or even a group).

Yes, i know, you want to make the homezones more populated, but i always thought that the main goal of Uth was RvR!?

You are slowly but steady killing the RvR! The XP bonus nerf (and that it was, nothing more nothing less) was the worst idea ever.

I know, you only do what you think is best for the server, but stop being so bone headed and listen to your community!

I am really surprised that even after so many years and crises you still don't get the most basic thing to encourage RvR: You have to give the people a reason, an attraction to go into RvR areas.

Reducing all boni to RvR areas, killing spots (new 50er RvR) are measures that completely contradict this goal.

Sry, @staff, you might bash or hate me for my "whining" here, but: Wake up before it's to late!

There are many honorable and reasonable player in all three realms. Stop going your "we are the staff - you are the whining community" way and start listening to your community. I know it is hard to believe, but not all players are whining bugusing people.

A project like uthgard is should encourage a strong and constructive community. Think of it...

Finally i can only agree 100% with Calin. Especially i agree with the "fun-theory". All the current decisions reduced the fun with the game (yes, there is a difference between fun and easymode).

Always remember: It's a game and people play that game to have fun. If you reduce the fun you will loose player (uth already has lost many of them - and thats a fact, no armageddon calling).

Try to find your balance between a challenging game and fun again...you've pretty much lost it...

Kronos

plz keep the bgs as they are and spend your precious time for making agramain smaller and go on fixing the bugs on the list.

Kronos wrote:There is not a single attraction for a low/mid30 char to be there. He does not get any XP bonus, he does not get any loot and he risks being killed by a high30 char (or even a group).

Right. Except for possible fun in RvR, an experiencebonus of 15% and a realmpointbonus of 10%.

Kronos wrote:You are slowly but steady killing the RvR! The XP bonus nerf (and that it was, nothing more nothing less) was the worst idea ever.

You shouldn't compare apples and pears. Why should level 50 players want to get an exp bonus? To relog a twink and level another character to 50?

Kronos wrote:I am really surprised that even after so many years and crises you still don't get the most basic thing to encourage RvR: You have to give the people a reason, an attraction to go into RvR areas.

That discussion, that was already talked about in this thread in the German forum, is kind of confusing me. In DAoC you have RvR instead of PvP like in other games. It was designed for fun and that is, what it always has been. I don't understand why you need special attractions. The game is about raising your character up to 50, socialising with other players and then having fun in RvR. If you are not satisfied by fighting for your realm, maybe you should think about playing another game. But for sure we will not add eastereggs as a permanent event.

Kronos wrote:There are many honorable and reasonable player in all three realms. Stop going your "we are the staff - you are the whining community" way and start listening to your community. I know it is hard to believe, but not all players are whining bugusing people.

We don't go that way, you are the only one who claims that. We have undertaken several surveys to get information about what the community wants and we are trying to satisfy the majority.


By the way: If there are any more battleground changes, they will not come until the level 50 RvR has come to a stable situation.

Ok, Nayru, you don't get my point or you just don't want to get it...

It's the old problem, you (the staff) only vindicate yourself - not even trying to open the mind. It's always the same...

And to be honest, i don't really care anymore. Continue the way you think is right.

Kronos