Hell yea... As i said in another old ra topic. No det for hybrids + purge rdy every 30 mins owns. Really. Just try to imagine it.

If we want to be ~1.80 patch server lets stick to it. Any reason to make one changes from patch 1.6x another from 1.7x and another from 1.8x??

-> 1.80 toa .. without no balancing toa was included in ~1.6x i think.. after they implemented toa they implemented NF .. -> new ra sys..

stealther nerf ...jippie ...

Cespx wrote:Hell yea... As i said in another old ra topic. No det for hybrids + purge rdy every 30 mins owns. Really. Just try to imagine it.

If we want to be ~1.80 patch server lets stick to it. Any reason to make one changes from patch 1.6x another from 1.7x and another from 1.8x??

But that is classic daoc Hybrids have their gimmicks and fulltanks cheap ras and that. Thats the game i love and no 5 points purge every 15 min,

@Rent
No more vanish = stealther nerf ... ? (ok infis have a better one)
There is no stealthlore too to counter it and kill the opponent without he can do anything (= no toa)


@Weia
The only bad thing is volcaniv pillar camping. But there is BAOD to counter it...
At the beginning there was IP for assasins. But it was patched out. Btw i had rr8 re ToA so i dont know whats your problem at all.

The only class which has access to SOS is the minstrel. And i dont see many of them when i do rvr or exp.

If i remember right Infs could still use vanish pre NF RAs, ?? its been awhile tho lol... Vanish being there main RAs

Yeah Infis. But not but not all stealthers. NS gets Viper and Shadowblades ehm.. that faster movement RA while you stealth.. I dont know the exact name

there is no reason to complain as a stealther . archers gain the active ra truesight (you can see stealthed players on clipping range) + volley (gtaoe ranged attack)

ONLY infiltrators have access to vanish , ONLY nightshades have access to viper (same as viper3 now) , ONLY shadowblades gets screwed by getting shadowrun (more speed in stealth for a limited time lol). all of them gain see hidden (similar to mastery of stealth but only assasins can spec it)

and dodger (enhanced chance to evade) is definatly no nerf.
stealther gangbang is just getting more interesting .

isn´t that cute how a vw complains about not getting determination ? what else do you want ? you can cast as hard as a fullspecced caster just with a baseline dd and hit hard as a truck during melee while having a decent absorb poor poor overpowered class doesn´t get anything usefull . dodger and mastery of arms are soooo useless and 2 specable passives to increase crits on you already overpowered dds are going to be soooo horrible.
the average hib group runs 2 druids + . each one will have group purge . root wont be an issue cause you can cast better than some specced casters and 2x group purge + your own should take care of any mezz ... don´t worry.

Ronian wrote:...

@Weia
The only bad thing is volcaniv pillar camping. But there is BAOD to counter it...
At the beginning there was IP for assasins. But it was patched out. Btw i had rr8 re ToA so i dont know whats your problem at all.

Well, the way you're posting illustrates my problem nicely.
'It was working like this way already back in OF, so there is no problem'.
You totally ignore that this would re-introduce some of the most whined-about balance-issues of the game ever. The NF RA-review was mythic finally acknowledging that there were some serious flaws in their RA system that needed fixing. I am the first to agree that I don't like what they did, and think the new system was actually worse, but there's no denying that the old system was far from perfect too. There will definitly be problems, the question is if we can live with them, or just have 'hey. it would be cool to change to agramon+3 adjacent zones v2.0'. Just claiming that there should be no problem at all just shows that you're not even trying to give it any serious thought.

And just 'btw', I didn't claim that rr5+ didn't exist at the time. I had a rr7 skald myself at the time. It's just that this wasn't the norm, the majority of enemies you'd encounter on a usual night were far below that. If you disagree with me on wether or not this all makes any difference, ok, that's up for discussion. But claiming that the overall realmrank composition of the daoc population isn't different from what it was back in OF, just because YOU had an rr8 toon already, I just can't follow this 'logic'.

The only class which has access to SOS is the minstrel. And i dont see many of them when i do rvr or exp.

Again, what kind of statement is that supposed to be ? Yes, minstrels are undeplayed, but that is because of NF ras. With OF RAs, the minstrel was borderline overpowered, you can still read the whines if you go back far enough on vnboards. Do you really think that minstrels won't be fotm once they lose the MOS-disadvantage, and get a RA that's basically group-charge , is that what your DAoC experience so far is telling you ?

Yes, I actually want OF RAs too, but simply ignoring the problems they would introduce shouldn't be the way to get them. We need to clearly state those problems for everyone to see and undestand, and accept them too, or the whines to revert back to NF RAs will start even quicker than the whines to switch back from Agramon RvR started.

Watch the Video "Reaver needs love on Youtube" - there you can see which was really overpowered in DAOC History. In comparison to that VP was a joke

what are you talking about ronian, that video is clearly taken when there were NF abilites. they are just using TWF+rr5+ML8 banelord, old reaver bomb. Only thing that is "unique" in this video that they have like 4 reavers or so and if they all do this... well you have a great bomb.

That OF VP isnt that bad as this combination, because it was my live server were this video was captured.

Nobody needs vanish ... but i want Viper as passive and not active RA ...it´s kind of useless to specc it ... 30 secs double dot dmg ..haha ... costs 14 points ..and waiting time?? ...like wonderfull grp purge with 30mins??...jeah then we see only campers ... lets wait 30 mins ... oh ra used ... waiting 30mins ... great RvR ...

by the way : all of our NF RAs work after a long time of fixing/conding it by Staff
But now few players are bored and want get a other system .... let´s code it without bugs who are for it ... i dont think that someone other should do the work than you

@Rent
OMG, you dont know anything about OF

NS= strongest Stealther. Avoid Pain, Wild Arcane, and the passives which grants you more chance of evade and double hits.



PS:
2 Druids = every 15 min Group Purge+Single Purge, so no need camping.

I'd like to see the old ra system (I didn't play with those much) but how do you expect to test the ra on live and check the bugs?

The actual NF isnt balanced. Many people are whining about dot damage of assassins (on live servers there are champion lvls which grant cure poison/disease for everyone...)