I generally think somethign with Dmg calculation, with higher haste percentage is buggy.. i really cant say , but shouldnt a haste lower the style damage? if a Warrior now has aout 50% haste and dexqui too , his style damage should be very veryveryveryvery LOW and i dont believe they got about 250 base damage... so anything with styledamage calc seems strange...

Why dont you test in duels? With haste and without. You will clearly see the difference. It just makes no sense to hit enemies and tell numbers. Only way to test is /duel with realm mates. Shouldnt be hard to test haste effect on damage.

Dont tell staff should do it. We have lots of work and these kind of tests can be done by any player.

Ranius wrote:EDIT: Hah, 150 dmg on caster with normal taunt. Should always be more, no matter buffs.

i got high pd + usually have an af charge running (most of the time no spec af - no conc ), i rarly get hit for more than 130 on xero. and hes not even rr4.

unless its some rr6+ fulltank doing positionals

130 on caster?? That's NOTHING. I hit at least twice more on merc.

@Blue: I think there is something wrong with celerity, speed is very fast and damage is still good, 210 on tank with celerity, sry that's too good. I can't test in /duel, since hibs don't have celerity.

Celerity is not the problem imo. It's a very good spell but the bug isn't there.
I repeat what I said:
On 5l vw 98-101 dmg fullbuffed with 2h+cele = 200 dmg in 3 secs
On 5l blademaster 250-240 dmg fullbuffed with 2h+cele = 500 dmg in 3 secs
The problem to me is the armor bonus/malus.

Celerity IS the problem, maybe not for you, cause you only use it, it's perfect
for you. If you would get hit for 210 dmg every 2 secs, you would complain too. And what very good spell do we hibs get? I just met a fg mids in emain with a bd, that means 9% abs. Why do mids get so much? Albs get healed a bit almost every hit cause of grp heal proc, they have spec af. What special do we hibs get? And plz don't say things like HoT which is totally PvE spell or we got more healing classes, cause mids got healers and shamans behind every corner.

up to 5 healing classes and still having 3 tanks?;)

Valewalker u got... anytime chain with 1,4x grwoth rate + 98dd proc .. yay not op no

I'm not talking about classes and I'm not valewalker. Vws are not everywhere, but from celerity benefits all tanks in grp. I'm talking about abilities and spells. Where do you count 5 healing classes? Druid, bard, warden, ment. And ment never heals in rvr, warden very little and bard is usually busy with other things. And still we got bigger problems getting a druid then you a healer. And when we talked about ABS is not fair, you said almost no bd active...atm a bd grp is running in emain, they all got 9% abs for sure. But they're mids, so it's fair. Yesterday I was in thid and there was a bd too, again, 9% abs.

EDIT: Oh, and there are so many bds in braemar, that means they will come in emain in future...before animist and necro are done for sure.

Ranius wrote:Celerity IS the problem, maybe not for you, cause you only use it, it's perfect
for you. If you would get hit for 210 dmg every 2 secs, you would complain too. And what very good spell do we hibs get? I just met a fg mids in emain with a bd, that means 9% abs. Why do mids get so much? Albs get healed a bit almost every hit cause of grp heal proc, they have spec af. What special do we hibs get? And plz don't say things like HoT which is totally PvE spell or we got more healing classes, cause mids got healers and shamans behind every corner.

I'm not going to waste time in others useless balance discussion. Hib got his strong points too, if you don't know what they are it's a your problem, I'm not going to tell you how to pwn us

About celerity:
Celerity is a spell which greatly increase the swing speed. This means that style bonus and add dmg bonus are reduced to the real speed, it caps at 1,5 sec. What stay the same is the weapon pure dmg. If I hit for 150 dmg +50 of style with my 2h, it means I do 150 pure dmg, with celerity I will do always my 150 pure dmg but the style bonus will be reduced greatly.

On that famous bm I hit with cele for 250 dmg each hit, it's too much, but on a vw I hit for 100 dmg, which is too low. This bring to the conclusion that isn't celerity which let me making great dmg, but it's something with the armor type

The fact is, some mid hits 210 with celerity and I hit 250 without celerity with 5.7 weapon! Can't anyone see any problem?? That means he hits only twice as much as me...eh, that's nothing...mids have it, so it's all fine. Nobody told me what got hibs so good as celerity, 9% ABS, low endu taunt, grp heal proc, spec af, etc, etc, I can count a lot more. Don't say class X does XXX dmg, but
some really good ability/spell, like celerity.

Ranius wrote:The fact is, some mid hits 210 with celerity and I hit 250 without celerity with 5.7 weapon! Can't anyone see any problem?? That means he hits only twice as much as me...eh, that's nothing...mids have it, so it's all fine. Nobody told me what got hibs so good as celerity, 9% ABS, low endu taunt, grp heal proc, spec af, etc, etc, I can count a lot more. Don't say class X does XXX dmg, but
some really good ability/spell, like celerity.

Ranius i think your are just cryng for your dmg. Damage doesn't depend only on you!!! There is nothing strange if a fullbuffed tank with cele do double of your dmg
And again, hib got its strong points, if you can't see them it's your fault

Blue wrote:Why dont you test in duels?

To test in duel you need 2 players with the right classes which want to use their time testing. Gm can have every class at every level, it would work better if we report and staff make sure that it's buggy and fix it.

fullbuffed tank doing twice more damage then a fullbuffed tank, and that's nothing strange...ok. I give up, I won't change anything, mids will stay op and there will be no balancing. Done.

Ranius wrote:...atm a bd grp is running in emain, they all got 9% abs for sure. But they're mids, so it's fair. Yesterday I was in thid and there was a bd too, again, 9% abs.

EDIT: Oh, and there are so many bds in braemar, that means they will come in emain in future...before animist and necro are done for sure.

Yes, we got absorb buff today in emain, why not?

I know 2 active BDs. 1 is at emain, 1 at Thid.
BDs usually stop at Braemar, because they are hard to level after ~lvl 25 (missing pets). It's a nice Braemar char, but thats all at the moment.


If it's so hard for you to find a Druid, why don't you and some of your freinds roll druids to solve the problem? You should be able to level up very fast and you'll have some new Druids in emain in some weeks.


And to tell you the mid version of the story:
It's damn hard to fight your hib caster groups

Sephral wrote:

Ranius wrote:...atm a bd grp is running in emain, they all got 9% abs for sure. But they're mids, so it's fair. Yesterday I was in thid and there was a bd too, again, 9% abs.

EDIT: Oh, and there are so many bds in braemar, that means they will come in emain in future...before animist and necro are done for sure.

Yes, we got absorb buff today in emain, why not?

I know 2 active BDs. 1 is at emain, 1 at Thid.
BDs usually stop at Braemar, because they are hard to level after ~lvl 25 (missing pets). It's a nice Braemar char, but thats all at the moment.


If it's so hard for you to find a Druid, why don't you and some of your freinds roll druids to solve the problem? You should be able to level up very fast and you'll have some new Druids in emain in some weeks.


And to tell you the mid version of the story:
It's damn hard to fight your hib caster groups

Why not ABS? Why yes if we can't get it, but we should? Another + for mids, like you don't have enough.