the add just to add is a pain in the ass...

when you kite a guy waiting he brings back rp ( yeah i know it s not friendly to snare and stealth still the rvr sickness is away but so just wait at home)

and you get a add that kill your opponent just to add and he knows the enemy won't bring him any RPs, i just think it s stupidity.

it s not for challenge, it s not for fun, it's not for RPs... the last option is just to ****** you up.

when a second group just add a group that is killing some guys just to add, it's not more friendly.

yeah daoc is a realm vs realm but so try to not upset your realm mates.

as stealther i try to not add fights that are fair (at least when it is alb vs another realm) and often i just show myself to realm mates to tell " i was there but didnt add"

but it s sad too when your realm mates have no chances to win, you kill the healer, snare the main dammage dealer and so your realm wins. and so some of the group tell you " thanks for adding noob".

there are sometimes you don't know if you have to join in the fight or not... just do what you think is the better. and maybe ask if you did well or not to the other group. if they don't want you to add, let them being killed next time.

Hello,

I say it from my side:
when i see red names in RvR Zone i hit them -> Point!
DaoC is not a fair game, War is not a fair game, RvR is not a fair game -> Point!
DaoC isn't 1 vs 1, isn't 8 vs 8 -> Point!

I hate this discussion everyday, everytime: Don't add, Don't Zerg bla bla bla
On Live u go out of keep or everywhere noone is interested there if u r alone or fg or more. If ur name is Red they'll kill u. When i go alone to emain its my on risk to get killed by a grp or 2 or whatever!

So i didin't understand this discussion every time why u add in my 1vs1 ond what ever. No Enemy has a flag: only 8vs8 if u add u r a noob!! sounds sarcastic but thats my meaning of that!

If i'm in Emain as Alb all Midds and Hibbs are realm enemies and not grp or solo enemies.
If u search fair fights search another Game.

Every Realm do the same: build one grp -> get killed -> change setup or not -> try again

If succesful -> keep grp search more or same inc
If not -> change setup or get more ppl

so i didn't understand wghy the half of Emain players cry more than fg is Zerg bla bla bla or something else
so i didn't understand why the half of emain logged ppl log out after a wipe

i show one example what happens to me in Emain we are a fg and found a fg hib and have a nice fight. At same time a mid grp arrived they dont add in 8vs8. Some of u think now this is fair. But after we killed the hib grp with all Ra down the mid killed us easyly. Free rps for them u think its fair again ? Why didn't they add in the fight and there we had 8 vs 8 vs 8 ???

What is now fair in 8 vs 8 vs 8 every one same chance to be victorious, but after 8 vs 8 the third grp didn't need any skill to kill the rest.

All talking about skill, but this is unskilled sry

Thats why my favourite RvR place is Brae there are 90% unskilled grps, unskilled players, no add whiners, no 8vs8 fanatics and no 1vs1 fanatics. There u have pure PvP feeling. U build grp no matter what classes, no matter what lv. U inv whos in Tele keep and have sometimes a good grp or a bad grp but u have fun there. Sometimes we have there 16vs16vs16 or something like that and noone is crying if someone adds.
I give u right that Brae is not Emian, but if i log my Brae alt i know that i have PvP fun. If i log my Emain Alt i know that i wouldn't have fun because of adding whiners not perfect grp whiners and all others are imba whiners.

Its right in Brae u didn't ned skill to kill someone, but it makes much more fun than emain.
And if i have he option to log Brae or Emain i chose Brae.
I know endgame of DaoC is Emain here or on Live big RvR^^
I've played Daoc on Live for 3 Jears after TOA release or Easymode if u like this word . There i had 10 50's only one char with sc and this was my PvM Warrior.
I've played mid for some time on Uth and i don't want to hear sentences like this any more:

u stand in Emain with lv 49 healer
u ask for grp:

- didn't need u because not 50 und not sc

and if u r sc'ed thay say u r not 50 no chance out there.
Pff thats rofl u have only some tp and stats 1 or 2 point under a 50

In Brae thats not a Problem if u r between 25 and 30 that's one of some reasons to play Brae if u didn't have sc in Brae, they say wayne come with us.

I hope the community will change their Emain thinking a bit. That could it make more fun to play there.

Mfg Hardnuke

Murax, it is one thing to swear about opponents who all of a sudden show up
and participate in a fight (add) and to just go on with rvr, but it is a hell of
another thing to swear on them eventually flame them in IRC or even TS
followed by forum topics about the bad adding guys while masquerading as
a victim.
What has become of Uthgard if new players have to ask within forums if they
are allowed to (add) do rvr and all this just of some people who tend to reign
and flame within Uthgards communication platforms? And you know what is
the funniest about that development? As stated in my last topic it is usually
a complaint of some high RR guys and just to give you a simple question...

Do you complain about a juicy, delicious melon just because it has lots of
stones?

PS.: I am the good guy ... always was and will ever be ^^ xD

it's plain simple:

anything RED is DEAD ... done

In my opinion it's a question of play-style..

I like more the 8vs8 play-style, done by the old evil guilds who want "fair"
(flame on that! ) and hard 8vs8 RvR, tight fights, fights which need some
playing abilities and a lot of experience.
Of course, there is also the zerg RvR, mostly won by the realm which brings up the
bigger number of players, mostly a "next-target - stick - anytimespam" fight, which
doesn't really need a lot of playing abilities (The exception proves the rule.).
So how to deal with this different play-styles?

Communication is the way.. check out whether a group likes more the 8vs8 or the
zerg-style, add those who want to be added and who like to add too, on the other hand
don't add those who don't want to be added and don't like to add either.
What's evil about a "do not add please" ?
Of course you are NOT forced by rules to do so but respectfulness will ease your life
in your realm alot.

Just my point of view
- Ozerdin

I have no 50's yet on uthgard, but from my experience in daoc i know the "don't add" type of player..and it's a hypocrite player. They WILL add on your fight, every single time, but you can't add on theirs. The second complaint I have about that kind of player, they have no realm feeling. They will not heal, buff or rezz another non-group realmmate.

In my opinion daoc is a Realm versus Realm game..So I will add, I will help other players as much I can and do everything to kill enemies or take keeps as fast as possible. I will not listen to egomaniacs who try to create their own "perfect experience" while harming other peoples fun.

@ Ozerdin: If u search fair fights, only 1vs1 or 4vs4 or 8vs8, without adding and high skill play GW theres PvP only 4vs4 and 8vs8!

Its measured to explain there are grps in Emain where its allowed to add and aome its forbidden.

How can u decide wich targets are allowed to hit and wich ones are forbidden?

Sry but i can't understand u ?

PS: I know that u think i have no skill because i hate Only 8vs8 and love the Zerg. But u and some others on Uth are perfect examples to dicide not to play Emain. Because i dont want to hear such stupid crap about adding.

Mfg Demenzia

tazok wrote:I have no 50's yet on uthgard, but from my experience in daoc i know the "don't add" type of player..and it's a hypocrite player. They WILL add on your fight, every single time, but you can't add on theirs. The second complaint I have about that kind of player, they have no realm feeling. They will not heal, buff or rezz another non-group realmmate.

Wrong.
Experiencing Uthgard/Midgard they WON'T add, they WILL help their realm.
You will have another experience here, I promise.


@Hardnuke: Could you please stop posting senseless and unconstructive
things like "go play GW"? Thats same as "go play CS".
8vs8 is an element of RvR, ofc not the only one but it has ever been one,
is one and will always be one.

I never said that it is forbidden to add, I only told that, when you are
kindly requested not to add, it is the most polite way to do that and it will
improve the relation to these guys..
When you run around a lot in Emain you will see which people like which
play-style. Communication is the way - as I stated before.

P.S.: Stop accusing me of thinking that anyone has no skill because of his
play-style.

Ozerdin wrote:Wrong.
Experiencing Uthgard/Midgard they WON'T add, they WILL help their realm.
You will have another experience here, I promise.

Well I use in such situations the "tit for tat" strategy. I will not add if they ask politely, but If they add on me(ofcourse I only want those people not to add..everyone else is welcome, cause I don't like that playstyle......but If that's their wish, i will respect that)....I add on them and they have to earn my trust again.

Why is it a senseless thing to say play GW ??? if u want 8vs8 fights w/o adders GW is ur best game becaus epvp is 8vs8 inst and no other can join ur fight.

I only said that it give no adding in DaoC because all enemies r realm enemies so u can not add.

I never say anything against Playstyle i only say that DaoC isnt a pure 8vs8 or something else were u can forbid some players to hit ur Target thats all.

Mfg

Where does your fairness begin Ozer? At least in my opinion fairness is sth.
that should be overall applied and not only for 8vs8 and concerning that
usually fg's kill soloers there is no such thing like fair fights in DAoC. Fair
fights (8vs8) are a luxury in this game due to its layout to large scale combat.
If you wanted to set this luxury as standart for certain players you had to
consider the circumstances of their gameplay - they have to never add as
well as always only attack on groups of their own size

from my exp... all 3 realms will add... already been in a 6vs7 fight with albs and then a group of 5 mids Added that was 4 nights ago...

Maybe some people will respect not adding but I havent ment a FG of mids or albs that dont. again thats with in the last month of my RvRing...

only player i have respect for when it comes to 1vs1 no adding is a farir that keeps pawning me lol but will wait untill i finish the other inf/mini off first then will come after me.

if we want a no add area make a arena lol ( no RPs gain ) and let them get there Fair fights there... make the rest what a real war is imo.

Ive never been complained adding solo, I just say

'Can I halp?' if a caster has an add

No reply obviously means yes....*slam*

Once we had some Duel-Zone for 1v1 (No RP ). It was part of some event.

...


Greetz
Nes

Hardnuke wrote:Why is it a senseless thing to say play GW ??? if u want 8vs8 fights w/o adders GW is ur best game becaus epvp is 8vs8 inst and no other can join ur fight.

Because we play DAoC here and we have to find a solution for DAoC. I also
don't say "go play Starcraft Zergs" just because you love zergs.. both zerg
and group fights have their place in DAoC and that will stay so. The question
is how to deal with the different types of players so that everyone can have
the RvR he wants to.


@tazok: I think that's a good solution.


Sethor:
No, 8vs1 sure isn't fair.. I'm also against that "fights".
The never adding thing is possible for those who want to:
-> Add groups that want to be added and that add in your fights
-> Add groups that don't want to be added but add in your fights
-> Do not add groups that don't want to be added and don't add in your fights