I read the post about languages and who spoke what and where. By the time I got home it had been locked and closed out.

On an initial note the thought behind the post that started that thread is insane, and by its subject I can see how it was put to rest. TY Admin. Personally as an only English speaking player if there was a smiley for ashamed you would find it here <Insert smiley here>

I don't speak everyones language, nor can I expect anyone else to know more then their native tounge. But in my short time with the server I have seen several different languages posted in various chats and seen many players of origin different from my own making great attempts to speak in English...not always perfect but they sure try. And that is appreciated.

Maybe as English players if we put in half as much effort to connect with others in the community as they do with us that would be a cool thing. The community here wouldn't be half of what it is without the players as a whole, regardless of where they came from, and it would be so much more with a little effort from all sides.

To the Admin, I apologize if responding to a locked post pushes a bad button with some rule I missed. But to be honest reading that left a sour taste and as an English speaking player wanted to offer an apology for such narrow minded thought. Were not all like that.

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not ashamed but embarassed



+ agree, its kinda wierd that most people are being such nasty people because they dont understand a language and such, i bet most english players would do the same even if they knew there was a german player not speaking english (who would transelate for him huh?)

I#m german and i can't speak english well because i spoke english just in school 13 yeargs ago but i try to to do it

Andrus, as I see you can speak, or you wouldnt be able to write this, you dont need to speak very good, nobody does, except english people. Important is to try.

And, I think we're just wasting our time, trying to make it better for non-germans, we wont change it. Just to tell you, this is not the way to best private server. Try it yourself and test it. Go on server, with italian admins and mostly italian people and listen to that bla bla. If I look on DAoC portal, it writes this server's primary language is International. Since when is that german? Now i better stop posting before getting on some "black-list".

P.S: Instead of locking that thread try to solve the problem.

I have but good experiences with this language barrier. I"ve grouped with all kinds of players: Danes, Czechs, Germans, Spaniards, Italians,...
I think every single one of them spoke or tried to speak english.

Sure it's not always as easy communicating but the majority of this community (and staff) is German and they're doing their best to give English-speaking people a chance.
Myself I am from Belgium and I have the fortune of living in a multilingual country so I can communicate decently with the French and German.

Maidrion im prolly the dane you grped with (if you even knew i was from Denmark :p)


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this topic has been discussed for ages, always ends up with the same: start your own english comunity and embrase it!!

join english guilds and talk english in them.. best way to do it

the more we are and the more united we are the stronger we stand in this daoc world

the most player joined guilds an communities in their languages but in randomgroups theres no choice. i can understand the problem with the languages because i'm sometimes a victim of it when i join an spanish or french group or whatever. in multilanguagegroups i speak english of course and the first contact with unknown players is the primary language english as well.
i guess we all should try to handle with this barrier because we all can learn from it... i don't believe it's not a rassism problem, it's just a problem if the people can't or won't speak english cuz they're lazy or something
for some of us i guess it's hard in fast rvr-fights to write important mesages for the group in english. i use this multinational community to practice my own english because i just can learn... and if other think the same, it will be better soon, but they have to know the problem and the fact, that some players prefer english as mainlanguage... to speak the same language is the first and the best way to become a good or better community

to use his own language because of the uneducated people is not the way to solve this problem.

if im in a team with all Germans, and i know they can understand some English but keep typing German, i feal left out. i have no clue what is said. i think its rude to leave that one person out. when in these groups i keep asking," what did the friar say?" over and over.. till they speak English .

it really sucks to be in a group and not understand anything.


to say i need to learn German is rude. because French know English, Russian know English. spanards know English, yet i am to learn Spanish , Russian, and French? makes no sense. English for some reason is the accepted worldwide universal language. just by luck its my native language.

then there is sometimes 1 person who does not speak English at all. then there is a problem where somebody will be left out. vie gone out of my way and asked somebody to translate stuff for me. thats a lot of work..

Yyrd wrote:to say i need to learn German is rude. because French know English, Russian know English. spanards know English, yet i am to learn Spanish , Russian, and French? makes no sense. English for some reason is the accepted worldwide universal language. just by luck its my native language.

This is making a bold assumption that a native German speaking player may only know German and English, maybe they know ( or can recognize ) just enough Spanish, Russian, or French to understand when there is incoming, or pick the number of enemies out of a sentence. This doesn't mean they know 5 languages, just that they have "chosen" to accept the multi-cultural aspect of Uthgard and make the best they can of these barriers.

True...English is a common ground in terms of communication world wide...a majority of business and global transaction involves English communication. But if other nationalities have shown us the respect of taking a little time to learn our language then who are we to complain about others when most Americans dont know multiple languages and use the cop-out of "English is universal. Why should I learn for everyone else?"

Yyrd wrote:then there is sometimes 1 person who does not speak English at all. then there is a problem where somebody will be left out. vie gone out of my way and asked somebody to translate stuff for me. thats a lot of work..

Gone out of your way to translate? Its alot of work?

And learning a second, non native, language isn't? As initially stated in this post, and Ill re-iterate in case I wasn't clear. If English speaking players put in a fraction of the effort expected of players from other nationalities as others do with English to cross the language barrier it would be a cool thing. As you have proven here....others have put in the efforts to learn English, who are you as an English only speaking player to condemn anyone for not adjusting for you when you have made no effort to adjust for them?

@jadinfrost

english is not my native language (really !!!?? yes it s true , i promise )
but i totaly disagree with you... why would he have to learn german cause he is speaking english...? when german even not try to speak english when they are able to...

yeah i know it's more easy to speak about things and others in your native language when 7/8 of the group speak german. but that's not a reason to tell smdy "just learn german".

and by the way lot of americans speak other languauge than english , at least spanish

By no means am I saying to just learn German, or French, or Spanish. But when you read whats said consider this :

You see people say " I joined a group where 7/8 speak German " and I cant understand them. How is this different from a German person joining an English group and saying " I joined a group where 7/8 speak German " and I cant understand them.

If you don't know a language and you choose to run with a group where your that 8th man and you don't like the language barrier....then disband. There is nothing wrong with admitting you have a disconnect and dealing with it. Staying there and just being frustrated is a choice, just like leaving. Make the wrong one then deal with it.

I only speak English.

Learning other languages would be cool but personally for me, its not something I am good at or can really grasp.

Does it mean I dont group with players who want groups? Not at all, all are welcome.

If we cant understand each other we'll know right away.

Short and sweet....if your grouping the basic idea is the same regardless of where your from....pointy end goes in the other guy. If your a healer you know when to heal, if your a tank you know how to tank. Regardless of language everyone should know their role. Even learning to recognize a few words could help...consider the following.....

Many use inc.....
English : Incoming
German : Ankommend
Spanish : Entrante
French : reçu
Italian : entrante

Many use rdy, r, ready.......
English : ready
German : Vorbereiten Sie
Spanish : prepárese
French : prêt
Italian : pronto

Or create macro's
/macro inc /g inc %t

%t modifier will display the targets name to the chat channel. Even if you cant read the rest you can get the hint.

I may not understand a thing said in a group...but being able to recognize even an important word related to an activity goes a long way. We can all take steps to bridge this gap that don't rely on everyone being multi lingual.

vorbereiten sie? eheh..no,i dont think so.. most germans get used to inc,rdy etc very fast..these are shortcuts eerybody has to learn. they are simple,easy to understand,if explained at least once. somebody yesterday told us in grp,that his armor is at "consequenze 70".. what he meant was..constitution. seems someone told him ****** hm?the simple base is where u have to make a start,and later the ppl might follow into the futher stages.i know many ppl who are german and who simply never learned a piece of english in school,but at least these try to use the shortcuts i mentioned,even if they cant chat on english and sometimes have to write stuff in german,so at least some ppl understand it,and might react on it.