Besides its not always about the relics. Sometimes its just about trying to drum up action.

We came and knocked on your door for 2 hours. Props to the 2 or 3 solos who answered. I hope they atleast got a few rps

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shatton1987 wrote:My issue was with the keep takers... they take every keep in a zone, then log or change realm.

Most of them log because it is after 10 pm and it is time for bed, thats the simple reason. And the rest is mostly not enough to form a group, missing key classes etc. It is just this little window between 7:30pm and 10:30pm.

Has nothing to do with switching realms or no action.

ayakoi wrote:Just saying, u all are complaining about 8man ruining tjis or this ...

In my perspective, everyone could have a lot of fun if you just stop slacking on pve or else.

Zerg or realm actions are good for the server, but we don't have enough actions as Mid.
What i dont understand is that as alb or hib, with all the mids out, all of u could find fun, i mean, there's 3 rvr zones, at least 3-4 mid groups 8 man, legacy' zerg and german zerg.

What i see is Romu trying to pull out people retake keep with ****** set up while some pug group are roaming in SF or DL to kill some xpers and log out when they get rape by a random 8 man mid.

Same ****** for hib, except Les Braves nobody wants to make any efforts to build and join a realm action.

There is enough people to have some action everywhere, but people are still stick with the same 15yo mentality, waiting for someone else to do the job for them and whining about 8man or zerg, go back to pve, get frustrated and live their game experience on forum x)

You could always reroll you know, instead of waiting for other people to do the job for you..

shatton1987 wrote:It seems i wasn’t clear.
I don’t want the removal of rps for keeps.

Thats the only way stopping ppl from pve raiding keeps and forming up raids with more than 1 fg. And indeed it would kill 80% of the current rvr-action. But that would serve the 8v8 community , or not? No more zergs....but wait, that would mean...less rp`s

I’m also sorry to break it to you, but u can’t have the Daoc of 2003.

Sure, you can. Just enable the global or zone-wide chat and you have the realm-wide communication like in 2003/2004.

Playing 2 evenings does not give you a good idea of anything also.

It does, if it is the same like the weeks and weeks before. And so it was. Forming up groups, riding out, raiding some npc`s in hope that some albs/hibs shows up, nothing happens, logout at 10pm with 3k or 6k rp after 3 hours. Really amazing rvr, just like counting hairs on my balls.

Stoertebeker wrote:It does, if it is the same like the weeks and weeks before. And so it was. Forming up groups, riding out, raiding some npc`s in hope that some albs/hibs shows up, nothing happens, logout at 10pm with 3k or 6k rp after 3 hours. Really amazing rvr, just like counting hairs on my balls.

Man when u see the mid BG zoning somewhere else coz they get killed by the albs bg ... that shows the mentality ... and why the population is decreasing.
They took 1hours to take keeps and when they finally have someone to fight, they avoid them, that's a pity, really ...

I can easily understand your feelings.

People are yelling everywhere that they are looking for RvR but when they get it, they port to hit guards and woods

ayakoi wrote:

Stoertebeker wrote:It does, if it is the same like the weeks and weeks before. And so it was. Forming up groups, riding out, raiding some npc`s in hope that some albs/hibs shows up, nothing happens, logout at 10pm with 3k or 6k rp after 3 hours. Really amazing rvr, just like counting hairs on my balls.

Man when u see the mid BG zoning somewhere else coz they get killed by the albs bg ... that shows the mentality ... and why the population is decreasing.

Do you know why they get killed, sometimes at the first larger inc? Because they were raiding keeps with 2-3 groups already for 1 hour (maybe in Alb), killing npc`s, smashing doors makes you lull.

*Inc where, inc what? Guards? What? Oh, dead.... wanna go Hib for the last round?

But the 2nd Keep gave 2.5k rp!! Hurray, Hurray !! If they know that a solokill gives 1k-1,2k? But solo on Uthgard is another story...


This server-setting and the mentallity f*kked it up. That has not much to do with the DAoC back in 2003/4, sadly. Ppl think it`s like in 2003/4, but it is not, not even nearly the same.

Stoertebeker wrote:

ayakoi wrote:

Stoertebeker wrote:It does, if it is the same like the weeks and weeks before. And so it was. Forming up groups, riding out, raiding some npc`s in hope that some albs/hibs shows up, nothing happens, logout at 10pm with 3k or 6k rp after 3 hours. Really amazing rvr, just like counting hairs on my balls.

Man when u see the mid BG zoning somewhere else coz they get killed by the albs bg ... that shows the mentality ... and why the population is decreasing.

Do you know why they get killed, sometimes at the first larger inc? Because they were raiding keeps with 2-3 groups already for 1 hour (maybe in Alb), killing npc`s, smashing doors makes you lull.

*Inc where, inc what? Guards? What? Oh, dead.... wanna go Hib for the last round?

But the 2nd Keep gave 2.5k rp!! Hurray, Hurray !! If they know that a solokill gives 1k-1,2k? But solo on Uthgard is another story...


This server-setting and the mentallity f*kked it up. That has not much to do with the DAoC back in 2003/4, sadly. Ppl think it`s like in 2003/4, but it is not, not even nearly the same.

There was around 50 mids on the BG last night, they get killed by the same amount of Albs.
Even if it's for a last run, i would pref fighting some players than some NPCs, and DAOC is suppose to be a RvR/PvP game isn't it ?

We were some more Albs yesterday on Beno and were able to wipe the first Mid group and push back the second wave.

Third wave were 30+ Mids ... therefore we weren't enough.

@Albs
The NPC Mid keep raid zerg is in Albion almost every day starting round about 800pm/815pm (CET).
Lets fight them already in HW/Beno, instead of reraiding the unclaimed lvl 1 keeps.

I think most of you are old enough to find Beno / HW on your own, without a stick leader.

@Hibs
You read that ? 800pm/815pm (CET) a-l-m-o-s-t e-v-e-r-y-d-a-y.
Maybe it might be a good idea to get out of Dagda an aj them ... just an idea.

ayakoi wrote:There was around 50 mids on the BG last night, they get killed by the same amount of Albs.
Even if it's for a last run, i would pref fighting some players than some NPCs, and DAOC is suppose to be a RvR/PvP game isn't it ?

Fighting players, yep sure...but...

Prob with the keep raiding mids is, they raid to attract action, as soon as action shows up they switch to an other frontier.

Running with 2-3 groups, feeling very proud and euphoric if they roll over a fg *Hurray, we fakked them up, they had no chance, that was really Midgard style...*. If this 1fg comes back with another 2 fg`s and wipe the mids it is like * Oh noes, the english are too many, lets go alb/hib!!! * .

Pathethic, really. No joke, so it was nearly each day, which made me step back. Spent enough time with the PvE content, i don`t need this in RvR.

Raiding keeps that switched sides 2-3h ago, 15 mins bashing doors for 500 rp, rinse and repeat. 2,5h PvK each evening for 3-8k rp, kidding me or what?

Until guilds start attempting to make an actual attempt RvR aka building an 8man or 16man team, and fielding it consitently, then they will be forever doomed to break their weap Be on doors rather than heads.

No matter your EXCUSE for not running an 8man:
- low rr : only one way it’s gonna increase.
- bad setup : takes time and planning.
- enemies too tough : practice practice practice.
- hate 8 man : that’s fair, don’t do it if you don’t like it.

It doesn’t even have to be 8. If u ran 16 consistently, enemies would expect 16 and come out to meet you as 16.
But whatever, play how u want, but for me, there isn’t much more satisfaction in Daoc than winning an 8v8 fight.. maybe try it some time

There are not many guilds left with enough members to form 1fg to run 8v8, so you rely on your ally and so you`ll have more than just 8.
Once 1 group is set what say to the rest that wanna join rvr? Sorry, we do only 8v8?
Most of our ally are not retarded enough to jump on this train.

It`s a good excuse i think.

shatton1987 wrote:Until guilds start attempting to make an actual attempt RvR aka building an 8man or 16man team, and fielding it consitently, then they will be forever doomed to break their weap Be on doors rather than heads.


But whatever, play how u want, but for me, there isn’t much more satisfaction in Daoc than winning an 8v8 fight.. maybe try it some time

Very much sounds like you are forcing your own playstyle uppon others here matey, while still trying to sound like you accept others will just Play for Keeps, without actually doing so. Maybe its just me reading your posts wrong.

I never personally saw what is so appealing about 8man, so fill me in if you dont mind. Maybe ill get out there if you convince me

So the fights are supposed to be on even numbers, but other "unfair" factors are not accounted for at same weight of importants. like having core abilties ready vs not having them up, getting the jump, relic advantage and whatever other differences people either use excuse or actually make a bigger difference in the outcome of fights. My point being, why are the even numbers factor so important when there are several other parts of the fight playing an evenly big role.

Dont get me wrong, I can see it being fun having some pride behind getting a team together, putting effort into something and seeing it succeed. or the very basic of smashing in head. But I still dont understand why it has to be done on even numbers above all else?

RvR is the name of the game, most people on here will have 15years experience over people like me who got their first ever 50char in DaoC on this freeshard. Those veterans will destroy me in RvR from playing better, having stronger teamwork and all sorts of other advantages over me, and you know what. I accept that, I am still here enjoying the game and the beating while dishing out a few kills myself being in a potentially larger force way more unorganized and unoptimized setup. I dont mind the imballance too much, so why are 8v8 fights supposedly more satisfying (as you put it yourself) when its just the numbersfactor being on even terms?

I would think arenabased PvP with even numbers, two sides, mirrormatches and a rating system would cater more if the real answere wasnt simply that the fights here are so satisfying, because they are spiced up with some random elements like roaming looking for fights, more than two sides fighting, and uniq classes & playstyles depending on what faction you play on, and most of all unlimmited ammount of players able to join into a fight at any given time. Also known as Tri-realm pvp.

So again I want to understand why 8man action is so focused about the numbers factor?

wonshot wrote:

So again I want to understand why 8man action is so focused about the numbers factor?

The question is as old as this 8v8 thing.
You´ll never get a satisfiing answer.

Hm.. this discussion seems like it kind of got off track..

I think what Shatton WAS trying to say is : " If you cause a zerg, have the balls to fight em "

It's always good to have 'For the realm' players that take the keeps. It's also nice of them to take low RR's with them or people who aren't 50 yet. It's just more fun for them. I don't think that is shattons problem at all.

The thing that's just annoying as hell for the 8 mans:

Example:

Mids start taking keeps in hibs. Ofc Hibs show up with numbers to defend. To that point, no problem.
Mids die to the counterzerg and start taking keeps in Albland. Hibzerg ofc continues in Emain, Albzerg gets ready to defend their keeps.


This basically leaves the 8 mans with two zergs in two realms and either they get run over, or they hope that one of the other realms 8 mans care to join them for a run in the midlands. As much as some people don't enjoy 8 vs 8, many 8 mans hate zerging.

There's no problem with Mids having to log off at whatever time cause of RL. We get that. But we've seen it many times that the mids take 1 wipe as an excuse to start off zerging somewhere else.

Ofc this is frustrating for the 8 mans, especially as this has started to become more and more common.


Aaaaanyways. There will always be sth to complain about in this game, so whatever

15 year old problem.

XPers complain solo 50 gank them
Solo 50 complain smallman gank them
Smallman complain 8man gank them (should note some 8man on Uthgard actually let smallman and soloers go)
8man complain about zergs
Zergs complain about biggest zerg
Biggest zerg complain no one comes out to fight them.

And wonshot is right, so many factors are relevant in fair fights.
If people knew the hardcore “8” man ran 6, they would face them with a 8man pug, and it would likely be a fun experience for both parts.

I enjoy daoc for its mix of solo, smallman 8man, keep zergs, and even pve. Tried it all, and nothing I dislike. I even get thrills when being attacked by a ganker in frontier. Only frustrating single experience I had on Uthgard was a 4 man ganking xp spots, that was annoying.