Stressed wrote:Eorken are you just a forum troll, comments like 'yeahh suuure' just come across as childish and troll like?

My Answer to Gil

Your words almost sound like anyone can join in, but in reality that's anything but the case, 2 50 shamms were spamming in LFG lf DR raid yesterday, no answers..

You said >> "That means you only get invited if the raid leader believes you will listen and follow the leaders instructions."

That can only happen if the raid leader knows you, which means its immediately 'exclusive' to a handful of Alliances/guilds, the people undoubtedly you were with yesterday, and these people in the main I guess know each other form years of playing, it is anything but as you make it sound tbh, Just say it as it is, don't pretend its somehow inclusive of all, at least Synderen said it as it was its the 3fgs and that's all.

Gil is absolutely right. So far we have a pool of like 40-50 people from various alliances and guilds. I've lead over 700 dragon raids on uthgard1 on different characters and we had it down to a science. A few times we did it with 11-12 people but it was too slow so we always ended up taking 15 total. I never understood this concept that raids should be public or open to everyone. Do you know how much time it took me on uthgard1 to get it down to the point to have a pool of over 100 people who know what to do and can finish the raid even if we have multiple LDs and so on?

Not only did I talk to every single new person explaining everything, then giving them time to ask any questions and if something was unclear, I would always have a person from their country explain it to them in their native language. Many times these conversations were like job interviews and I was wasting my time doing it. I never took anything extra either, other than some salvage last 100 or so raids we did, and this was sometimes only 25 bars per raid and I'd stack them to hand out to people if we got crappy loot and the person with the worst roll would end up getting nothing(on uthgard1 there were some unlucky raids where we would get like 2 usable items and maybe 11-12 stones total).

I've known multiple people on uthgard1 whose main chars were stealthers or bonedancers and they made majority of their cash farming salvage and never ever complained about it. They would send me and I'd say that I'm sorry but we need specific classes and I'll invite them for sure if they have any of those. Eventually they leveled a pve char with a simple template and they were always welcome.

This uthgard2 is full of people who think they are entitled to everything without putting any effort in. One of the reasons why I hate any kind of zerg or public raid is because I know how hard it is to control even 3-4 unknown people in the raid, let alone dozen or more. I absolutely understand that some people are not as good players as others, or they perhaps panic in rvr and someone else has a deeper understanding of the game, better reflexes etc. What matters to me is the effort, and in pve this should not be a problem. If I type a damn novel explaining something to someone and if I specifically say that they can go afk 5-10 mins if they have a RL emergency and we'll cover for them, then I expect them to try to do the best they can and not to go afk without saying anything. Needles to say, we've had to deal with ninja afks and slackers for a long time anyway.

I don't like zerg or public raids, because I know some people will give their best, and some will not even make an effort and still have the chance to roll on the same items. In my mind, this is not fair. This crazy, idiotic sense of entitlement that just because someone is a member of a guild, alliance or even realm, that person is somehow entitled to everything and everything should be organized for him or her. Sorry, but this is marxist SJW bullshit and only retarded communists think like this. We only need 3 shamans and of course 1-2 will send me right away and I'll spam for 3rd.

If someone spends their time and makes the effort of inviting people, making proper groups, explaining everything to everyone, makes sure everyone has power potions etc., than that person decides who should be invited to the raid. Daoc pve is quite simple, like someone already said, but it still requires some coordination and people need to pay attention. Like I said, people who expect everything to be organized for them and who think that they should be invited somewhere as soon as they spam are nothing but spoiled marxist SJW types.

Valfar wrote:

Stressed wrote:Eorken are you just a forum troll, comments like 'yeahh suuure' just come across as childish and troll like?

My Answer to Gil

Your words almost sound like anyone can join in, but in reality that's anything but the case, 2 50 shamms were spamming in LFG lf DR raid yesterday, no answers..

You said >> "That means you only get invited if the raid leader believes you will listen and follow the leaders instructions."

That can only happen if the raid leader knows you, which means its immediately 'exclusive' to a handful of Alliances/guilds, the people undoubtedly you were with yesterday, and these people in the main I guess know each other form years of playing, it is anything but as you make it sound tbh, Just say it as it is, don't pretend its somehow inclusive of all, at least Synderen said it as it was its the 3fgs and that's all.

Gil is absolutely right. So far we have a pool of like 40-50 people from various alliances and guilds. I've lead over 700 dragon raids on uthgard1 on different characters and we had it down to a science. A few times we did it with 11-12 people but it was too slow so we always ended up taking 15 total. I never understood this concept that raids should be public or open to everyone. Do you know how much time it took me on uthgard1 to get it down to the point to have a pool of over 100 people who know what to do and can finish the raid even if we have multiple LDs and so on?

Not only did I talk to every single new person explaining everything, then giving them time to ask any questions and if something was unclear, I would always have a person from their country explain it to them in their native language. Many times these conversations were like job interviews and I was wasting my time doing it. I never took anything extra either, other than some salvage last 100 or so raids we did, and this was sometimes only 25 bars per raid and I'd stack them to hand out to people if we got crappy loot and the person with the worst roll would end up getting nothing(on uthgard1 there were some unlucky raids where we would get like 2 usable items and maybe 11-12 stones total).

I've known multiple people on uthgard1 whose main chars were stealthers or bonedancers and they made majority of their cash farming salvage and never ever complained about it. They would send me and I'd say that I'm sorry but we need specific classes and I'll invite them for sure if they have any of those. Eventually they leveled a pve char with a simple template and they were always welcome.

This uthgard2 is full of people who think they are entitled to everything without putting any effort in. One of the reasons why I hate any kind of zerg or public raid is because I know how hard it is to control even 3-4 unknown people in the raid, let alone dozen or more. I absolutely understand that some people are not as good players as others, or they perhaps panic in rvr and someone else has a deeper understanding of the game, better reflexes etc. What matters to me is the effort, and in pve this should not be a problem. If I type a damn novel explaining something to someone and if I specifically say that they can go afk 5-10 mins if they have a RL emergency and we'll cover for them, then I expect them to try to do the best they can and not to go afk without saying anything. Needles to say, we've had to deal with ninja afks and slackers for a long time anyway.

I don't like zerg or public raids, because I know some people will give their best, and some will not even make an effort and still have the chance to roll on the same items. In my mind, this is not fair. This crazy, idiotic sense of entitlement that just because someone is a member of a guild, alliance or even realm, that person is somehow entitled to everything and everything should be organized for him or her. Sorry, but this is marxist SJW bullshit and only retarded communists think like this. We only need 3 shamans and of course 1-2 will send me right away and I'll spam for 3rd.

If someone spends their time and makes the effort of inviting people, making proper groups, explaining everything to everyone, makes sure everyone has power potions etc., than that person decides who should be invited to the raid. Daoc pve is quite simple, like someone already said, but it still requires some coordination and people need to pay attention. Like I said, people who expect everything to be organized for them and who think that they should be invited somewhere as soon as they spam are nothing but spoiled marxist SJW types.

As you state at the start you have a pool of 40-50 people you know, the rest of us who aren't marxist or entitled types but just want to have some fun and play all aspects of the game won't get a look in, sad but true, but no worries that's life.

Stressed wrote:

Valfar wrote:

Stressed wrote:Eorken are you just a forum troll, comments like 'yeahh suuure' just come across as childish and troll like?

My Answer to Gil

Your words almost sound like anyone can join in, but in reality that's anything but the case, 2 50 shamms were spamming in LFG lf DR raid yesterday, no answers..

You said >> "That means you only get invited if the raid leader believes you will listen and follow the leaders instructions."

That can only happen if the raid leader knows you, which means its immediately 'exclusive' to a handful of Alliances/guilds, the people undoubtedly you were with yesterday, and these people in the main I guess know each other form years of playing, it is anything but as you make it sound tbh, Just say it as it is, don't pretend its somehow inclusive of all, at least Synderen said it as it was its the 3fgs and that's all.

Gil is absolutely right. So far we have a pool of like 40-50 people from various alliances and guilds. I've lead over 700 dragon raids on uthgard1 on different characters and we had it down to a science. A few times we did it with 11-12 people but it was too slow so we always ended up taking 15 total. I never understood this concept that raids should be public or open to everyone. Do you know how much time it took me on uthgard1 to get it down to the point to have a pool of over 100 people who know what to do and can finish the raid even if we have multiple LDs and so on?

Not only did I talk to every single new person explaining everything, then giving them time to ask any questions and if something was unclear, I would always have a person from their country explain it to them in their native language. Many times these conversations were like job interviews and I was wasting my time doing it. I never took anything extra either, other than some salvage last 100 or so raids we did, and this was sometimes only 25 bars per raid and I'd stack them to hand out to people if we got crappy loot and the person with the worst roll would end up getting nothing(on uthgard1 there were some unlucky raids where we would get like 2 usable items and maybe 11-12 stones total).

I've known multiple people on uthgard1 whose main chars were stealthers or bonedancers and they made majority of their cash farming salvage and never ever complained about it. They would send me and I'd say that I'm sorry but we need specific classes and I'll invite them for sure if they have any of those. Eventually they leveled a pve char with a simple template and they were always welcome.

This uthgard2 is full of people who think they are entitled to everything without putting any effort in. One of the reasons why I hate any kind of zerg or public raid is because I know how hard it is to control even 3-4 unknown people in the raid, let alone dozen or more. I absolutely understand that some people are not as good players as others, or they perhaps panic in rvr and someone else has a deeper understanding of the game, better reflexes etc. What matters to me is the effort, and in pve this should not be a problem. If I type a damn novel explaining something to someone and if I specifically say that they can go afk 5-10 mins if they have a RL emergency and we'll cover for them, then I expect them to try to do the best they can and not to go afk without saying anything. Needles to say, we've had to deal with ninja afks and slackers for a long time anyway.

I don't like zerg or public raids, because I know some people will give their best, and some will not even make an effort and still have the chance to roll on the same items. In my mind, this is not fair. This crazy, idiotic sense of entitlement that just because someone is a member of a guild, alliance or even realm, that person is somehow entitled to everything and everything should be organized for him or her. Sorry, but this is marxist SJW bullshit and only retarded communists think like this. We only need 3 shamans and of course 1-2 will send me right away and I'll spam for 3rd.

If someone spends their time and makes the effort of inviting people, making proper groups, explaining everything to everyone, makes sure everyone has power potions etc., than that person decides who should be invited to the raid. Daoc pve is quite simple, like someone already said, but it still requires some coordination and people need to pay attention. Like I said, people who expect everything to be organized for them and who think that they should be invited somewhere as soon as they spam are nothing but spoiled marxist SJW types.

As you state at the start you have a pool of 40-50 people you know, the rest of us who aren't marxist or entitled types but just want to have some fun and play all aspects of the game won't get a look in, sad but true, but no worries that's life.

I'm just surprised he was able to pull himself away from commenting on fox news articles long enough to deliver such an enlightened rant.

Stressed wrote:

Valfar wrote:

Stressed wrote:Eorken are you just a forum troll, comments like 'yeahh suuure' just come across as childish and troll like?

My Answer to Gil

Your words almost sound like anyone can join in, but in reality that's anything but the case, 2 50 shamms were spamming in LFG lf DR raid yesterday, no answers..

You said >> "That means you only get invited if the raid leader believes you will listen and follow the leaders instructions."

That can only happen if the raid leader knows you, which means its immediately 'exclusive' to a handful of Alliances/guilds, the people undoubtedly you were with yesterday, and these people in the main I guess know each other form years of playing, it is anything but as you make it sound tbh, Just say it as it is, don't pretend its somehow inclusive of all, at least Synderen said it as it was its the 3fgs and that's all.

Gil is absolutely right. So far we have a pool of like 40-50 people from various alliances and guilds. I've lead over 700 dragon raids on uthgard1 on different characters and we had it down to a science. A few times we did it with 11-12 people but it was too slow so we always ended up taking 15 total. I never understood this concept that raids should be public or open to everyone. Do you know how much time it took me on uthgard1 to get it down to the point to have a pool of over 100 people who know what to do and can finish the raid even if we have multiple LDs and so on?

Not only did I talk to every single new person explaining everything, then giving them time to ask any questions and if something was unclear, I would always have a person from their country explain it to them in their native language. Many times these conversations were like job interviews and I was wasting my time doing it. I never took anything extra either, other than some salvage last 100 or so raids we did, and this was sometimes only 25 bars per raid and I'd stack them to hand out to people if we got crappy loot and the person with the worst roll would end up getting nothing(on uthgard1 there were some unlucky raids where we would get like 2 usable items and maybe 11-12 stones total).

I've known multiple people on uthgard1 whose main chars were stealthers or bonedancers and they made majority of their cash farming salvage and never ever complained about it. They would send me and I'd say that I'm sorry but we need specific classes and I'll invite them for sure if they have any of those. Eventually they leveled a pve char with a simple template and they were always welcome.

This uthgard2 is full of people who think they are entitled to everything without putting any effort in. One of the reasons why I hate any kind of zerg or public raid is because I know how hard it is to control even 3-4 unknown people in the raid, let alone dozen or more. I absolutely understand that some people are not as good players as others, or they perhaps panic in rvr and someone else has a deeper understanding of the game, better reflexes etc. What matters to me is the effort, and in pve this should not be a problem. If I type a damn novel explaining something to someone and if I specifically say that they can go afk 5-10 mins if they have a RL emergency and we'll cover for them, then I expect them to try to do the best they can and not to go afk without saying anything. Needles to say, we've had to deal with ninja afks and slackers for a long time anyway.

I don't like zerg or public raids, because I know some people will give their best, and some will not even make an effort and still have the chance to roll on the same items. In my mind, this is not fair. This crazy, idiotic sense of entitlement that just because someone is a member of a guild, alliance or even realm, that person is somehow entitled to everything and everything should be organized for him or her. Sorry, but this is marxist SJW bullshit and only retarded communists think like this. We only need 3 shamans and of course 1-2 will send me right away and I'll spam for 3rd.

If someone spends their time and makes the effort of inviting people, making proper groups, explaining everything to everyone, makes sure everyone has power potions etc., than that person decides who should be invited to the raid. Daoc pve is quite simple, like someone already said, but it still requires some coordination and people need to pay attention. Like I said, people who expect everything to be organized for them and who think that they should be invited somewhere as soon as they spam are nothing but spoiled marxist SJW types.

As you state at the start you have a pool of 40-50 people you know, the rest of us who aren't marxist or entitled types but just want to have some fun and play all aspects of the game won't get a look in, sad but true, but no worries that's life.

Please read with understanding. I never said they were people I know, and I said SO FAR we have a pool of 40-50 people, implying that pool will grow. Again, stop with the idiotic sense of entitlement. Nobody owes you nothing and other people are not your mommy and daddy who will provide you with full aspects of the game, make your own raid.

glad i dont have to deal with this bs anymore.

I really hope you aren't talking to me about a sense of entitlement, as I really don't have one and have amply demonstrated it, I have simply stated back to you what you guys said and not judged it.

The facts are the facts, I haven't complained just stated what they are according to what you and Gil said.

In fact I was very clear when I said >

the rest of us who aren't marxist or entitled types but just want to have some fun and play all aspects of the game

nvm--------

Stressed wrote:I really hope you aren't talking to me about a sense of entitlement, as I really don't have one and have amply demonstrated it, I have simply stated back to you what you guys said and not judged it.

The facts are the facts, I haven't complained just stated what they are according to what you and Gil said.

In fact I was very clear when I said >

the rest of us who aren't marxist or entitled types but just want to have some fun and play all aspects of the game

You should be able to experience all aspects of the game, I agree. Make some friends, give it some time, make sure a bunch of people are alright with trying to raid anything(whether it's dragon, legion or whatever) and lose their time just to figure out the mechanics so you do better next time etc. and you'll eventually be able to do it. No other way around it really. Many people are totally ok with investing a few hours even if they fail, providing that you approach them reasonably and explain all. Meanwhile, there are million other ways to make money and enjoy the game.

Valfar wrote:

Stressed wrote:I really hope you aren't talking to me about a sense of entitlement, as I really don't have one and have amply demonstrated it, I have simply stated back to you what you guys said and not judged it.

The facts are the facts, I haven't complained just stated what they are according to what you and Gil said.

In fact I was very clear when I said >

the rest of us who aren't marxist or entitled types but just want to have some fun and play all aspects of the game

You should be able to experience all aspects of the game, I agree. Make some friends, give it some time, make sure a bunch of people are alright with trying to raid anything(whether it's dragon, legion or whatever) and lose their time just to figure out the mechanics so you do better next time etc. and you'll eventually be able to do it. No other way around it really. Many people are totally ok with investing a few hours even if they fail, providing that you approach them reasonably and explain all. Meanwhile, there are million other ways to make money and enjoy the game.

That sounds good advice thank you

Stressed wrote:

Valfar wrote:

Stressed wrote:I really hope you aren't talking to me about a sense of entitlement, as I really don't have one and have amply demonstrated it, I have simply stated back to you what you guys said and not judged it.

The facts are the facts, I haven't complained just stated what they are according to what you and Gil said.

In fact I was very clear when I said >

the rest of us who aren't marxist or entitled types but just want to have some fun and play all aspects of the game

You should be able to experience all aspects of the game, I agree. Make some friends, give it some time, make sure a bunch of people are alright with trying to raid anything(whether it's dragon, legion or whatever) and lose their time just to figure out the mechanics so you do better next time etc. and you'll eventually be able to do it. No other way around it really. Many people are totally ok with investing a few hours even if they fail, providing that you approach them reasonably and explain all. Meanwhile, there are million other ways to make money and enjoy the game.

That sounds good advice thank you

OK so I gave it some time, and sadly there isn't a group of people who seem to want to raid the Dragon albeit the way you described wouldv'e been ideal and was how it was when I started other mmporgs.

I notice the closed groups going fairly often and killing it, so my decision and I am guessing others will decide the same is Uthgard Dragon is a closed shop and if you aren't in the 'in crowd' you stand little chance of playing this part of the game.

My 50 shamm can be a RVR bot with the handful of guys I know until enough fall away to make RVR unnatainable,
My bomb can help level my mates until thier alts are levelled or after with relic defense,
My Other toons can be BG toons and
my BD can pay for all the temps with my WC.

And I ain't gonna get to kill the dragon on Uthgard, nor Evern, not the Green Knight, but like yous ay lots of other stuff to do, if you are new back forget the Dragon its not an open event.

Just build your own raid or message the people who do build and see if you can join? Also evern only requires a fg to kill, if you have a shaman just make a grp to go kill him?

The woe is me pity party won't do you any favors.

isocleas2 wrote:Just build your own raid or message the people who do build and see if you can join? Also evern only requires a fg to kill, if you have a shaman just make a grp to go kill him?

The woe is me pity party won't do you any favors.

Amen to that, I'm glad to see there are normal people around still. This week I got stressed out while doing dragon raids because some zerkers who did it 10 times or 5-6 times so far ****** up bad and we had to reset and we failed a few times. People have no idea how much time I invest typing to these people before the raid, making macros, keeping an eye out on them and still they ****** up. It got to the point where I got paranoid and it took me 2 hours to find reliable zerkers.

My initial plan was to do it with a pool of 30-40 people who know what to do, and after we do it a few times I won't have to instruct those people anymore and I can keep my eyes out on newcomers during raid. After 10 raids or more, regulars started ****** up so go figure. So my plan was when I log on, I'd get 10 regulars on classes that require more attention and then I'd spam for randoms and gradually introduce more and more people and have a pool of 100+ players like we had on uthgard1.

Problem is, many good players quit the game because uthgard staff implemented idiotic old RAs, and now server is full of SJWs or whiny people who can't organize anything. I rolled a lowbie and I was in starter guild cause none of guildies were online to invite me, I saw some lvl 11-13 people whining how nothing is given out to them or how xp is slow, and then they actually admitted they didn't even try to make a group and they just wanted an instant slot in one.

And yeah, LOL at not being able to farm Evern and crying about it. Man, at least on uthgard1 we had charismatic people who would tell me to go ****** myself like men, and we'd have a constructive discussion after passion settled. On uthgard2 it's whining, whining, whining and more whining. People are like: "Ok, I guess I don't get to do this in this lifetime". Sounds like a 5 year old crying because his brother got a better toy for Christmas.

Crying about it

Last post from me on here ever, i can't stand that Baby wow talk from grown ups, if you cant talk like an adult forget it

Evern to difficult to organize yourself? Takes 2min to make an evern grp. If that's already too much I guess a solo game might fit better

pweet wrote:Evern to difficult to organize yourself? Takes 2min to make an evern grp. If that's already too much I guess a solo game might fit better

The post was about the Dragon, I mentioned Evern/green knight in passing figuring they were tough , if they aren't no big deal but doesn't stop the post being about the Dragon...see post title