teddie wrote:Do not flame everyone who is not in your peer-group as "noob", "trash", "elitist" etc.

Do not let the casual random grp with epic armor get "nicefightet" 3 meters out of sauvage/ligen/svasud and run through becuase you "do not add".

Don´t add fights in the middle of nowhere from people who asked you before not to do so.

Ask nicely for "no add" or "add".

Answer nicely.

Maybe even invite a unkown if you are missing a groupmember.

Don´t be an asshole.

Have fun.

Red=Dead. Period.

teddie wrote:Could be so easy even without 1313123 changes on a frikn freeshard in 2017.^^

This thread is about 3 simple changes (not 1313123), that will offer a much needed incentive (particularly in 2017) to get more people into meaningful fun RvR situations by design.

P.S. please stay on topic.

Red = Dead is a fine way to do things, even I've subscribed to the "murder everything" attitude and posted as such in this thread.

Overall though, I think nuance can come into play. Running with a zerg you come upon an 8v8 fight, one realm has three of their members down and your allied Albs are cleaning up - why jump in? Yes you get RP's - but you don't jump in when an allied realm mate is at 90% HP and killing a mob at 20% HP - why do the same versus another player? I've come to see it as pointless.

Nuance is required and does indeed help. Red is dead is respectable in some cases, but other times it's just kicking people while they're down, or stealing a realm mates hard earned solo kill.

A combination of red is dead, nuance, and purely honorable fighters makes for an unpredictable frontier experience, which I enjoy.

Back to the OP - we really could use some sort of keep rewards for offense/defense. Even a repeatable 1000 RP reward isn't crazy. The best RP gains on this server come from 8v8 - and they'll far outpace a keep take reward that is limited to X number of uses per 24hr period.

Help people
Be kind
Tell them in a respectful manner what went wrong that fight.
Help them get geared out.
Try to group two new people a day or week depending on your playtime.


If everyone did these things it would be a much better community

Ruckuz1983 wrote:Pve realm points is not daoc. Go kill people zerging noobs

You´re very wrong. Daoc is not a P-Game!
Its a R-Game, stands for realm (Realm versus Realm), not for ego selfish player.

The reason, because Daoc define itself as a Realm-versus-Realm game is, because you fight for your realm to get some advantage.
And raiding keeps and killing guards to conquer the keep, give your own Realm advantage. And you get rewarded with Realm-Points.
So, RP only for killing Players is definetly not correct!!!111elF

Ofc, the guards are part of the enviroment, same as the lord or the relics. All there things are magnet´s to bring out players in the fight, so you and/( or your group can zerging this noobs, to show your high skill...

Roxxor wrote:

Ruckuz1983 wrote:Pve realm points is not daoc. Go kill people zerging noobs

You´re very wrong. Daoc is not a P-Game!
Its a R-Game, stands for realm (Realm versus Realm), not for ego selfish player.

The reason, because Daoc define itself as a Realm-versus-Realm game is, because you fight for your realm to get some advantage.
And raiding keeps and killing guards to conquer the keep, give your own Realm advantage. And you get rewarded with Realm-Points.
So, RP only for killing Players is definetly not correct!!!111elF

Ofc, the guards are part of the enviroment, same as the lord or the relics. All there things are magnet´s to bring out players in the fight, so you and/( or your group can zerging this noobs, to show your high skill...

Exp benefit

In OF they we're against pve realm points.

Who is they?

Ruckuz1983 wrote:

Roxxor wrote:

Ruckuz1983 wrote:Pve realm points is not daoc. Go kill people zerging noobs

You´re very wrong. Daoc is not a P-Game!
Its a R-Game, stands for realm (Realm versus Realm), not for ego selfish player.

The reason, because Daoc define itself as a Realm-versus-Realm game is, because you fight for your realm to get some advantage.
And raiding keeps and killing guards to conquer the keep, give your own Realm advantage. And you get rewarded with Realm-Points.
So, RP only for killing Players is definetly not correct!!!111elF

Ofc, the guards are part of the enviroment, same as the lord or the relics. All there things are magnet´s to bring out players in the fight, so you and/( or your group can zerging this noobs, to show your high skill...

Exp benefit

In OF they we're against pve realm points.

Back on live during this era you actually had fights at the keeps (I.e. bomb groups, Zerg vs Zerg). Which yielded rps. Here on uthgard you don't have these therefore saying pve benefit is kinda moot (because hardly anyone uses keep bonuses to pve). Currently we should try to keep all players on the server. Who knows some of those keep takers could one day become 8v8ers, happened with some on the other server. Small rewards for taking keeps and defending would not hurt anyone. When US/Euro evening 8v8 becomes dead or zergy these zergs go after 8mans or log out. Because currently they have no other option...

Vajazzle wrote:
Back on live during this era you actually had fights at the keeps (I.e. bomb groups, Zerg vs Zerg). Which yielded rps. Here on uthgard you don't have these therefore saying pve benefit is kinda moot (because hardly anyone uses keep bonuses to pve). Currently we should try to keep all players on the server. Who knows some of those keep takers could one day become 8v8ers, happened with some on the other server. Small rewards for taking keeps and defending would not hurt anyone. When US/Euro evening 8v8 becomes dead or zergy these zergs go after 8mans or log out. Because currently they have no other option...

Hello Vajazzle.

How you think to try to keep the player on the server?
I locked down Uthgard before 2 month and just writing in forum because of sentimentality and the small weak hope, someday Uthgard, specially Uthgard-Staff, will get better, makes wise good decisions and Uthgard is worth to play here. Now its definetly not worth to play for me. You played on Genesis, right?
I was Rahja (Bard) at Hib-Allstars and i came from the casuals and i am still casual, but i get much better in handling the bard, while i was in training.
My leaving count for 8 Players, in RvR.

Sometimes i even go with pug-8v8 like MB or Req. and had alot of fun and learned alot.
But that was another time on another server...
I hope Uthgard can cure. Or the Playerhood need a Necromancer with Server-Resurection skill

Roxxor wrote:

Vajazzle wrote:
Back on live during this era you actually had fights at the keeps (I.e. bomb groups, Zerg vs Zerg). Which yielded rps. Here on uthgard you don't have these therefore saying pve benefit is kinda moot (because hardly anyone uses keep bonuses to pve). Currently we should try to keep all players on the server. Who knows some of those keep takers could one day become 8v8ers, happened with some on the other server. Small rewards for taking keeps and defending would not hurt anyone. When US/Euro evening 8v8 becomes dead or zergy these zergs go after 8mans or log out. Because currently they have no other option...

Hello Vajazzle.

How you think to try to keep the player on the server?
I locked down Uthgard before 2 month and just writing in forum because of sentimentality and the small weak hope, someday Uthgard, specially Uthgard-Staff, will get better, makes wise good decisions and Uthgard is worth to play here. Now its definetly not worth to play for me. You played on Genesis, right?
I was Rahja (Bard) at Hib-Allstars and i came from the casuals and i am still casual, but i get much better in handling the bard, while i was in training.
My leaving count for 8 Players, in RvR.

Sometimes i even go with pug-8v8 like MB or Req. and had alot of fun and learned alot.
But that was another time on another server...
I hope Uthgard can cure. Or the Playerhood need a Necromancer with Server-Resurection skill

Since you asked here are my thoughts.

Adding keep attacking/defending rps would benefit the server as a whole as it allows people who may not have a name yet or people who don't care if they are bad progress. No sane 8 man is going to invite the 1L6 tank to a group therefore you get zergs zerging the 8 man. It's a lose lose for everyone. Part of this uthgard added the custom feature of relics holding legendary mats. Their reasoning was to increase rvr. This doesn't increase rvr it increases greifing. A positive custom change, they have done it as stated before, to keeps would help everyone as perhaps the Zerg wouldn't foam at killing 8mans/small man's/solos all day.

Also I'm ok with that XP gain on this server but I think it could be improved. You see a necro problem in lyonesse not because of a PL problem but because it's just more efficient than Lyn barfog. Also since no added bonus to groups for adding anyone some classes will be rejected in said XP groups causing their friends/pay for PL. Simple fix as someone stated before by increasing XP per person up to a FG. Buffing pymies doesn't solve this issue. You won't completely solve the issue until you open your eyes and see why it exists.

Problem 1 and 2 are directly related because instead of playing the 1L6 tank in keep warfare (about all he can do unless he has a name) he stays 1L6 and does pointless pve on keeps. If I personally am going to have to pve with no progressing it might as well be a new toon.

I did play Genesis and even though it was extremely buggy there are still positives which uthgard should look into tinkering with. No one wants massive changes just some minor tweaking. Which isn't to hard to ask since they have made custom changes in the past.

Vajazzle wrote:Which isn't to hard to ask since they have made custom changes in the past.

Thats the point, the staff fearing...