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MotaroReloaded Eagle Knight Posts: 707 Joined: Aug 31, 2010 00:00 Location: London	by MotaroReloaded » May 01, 2017 23:56 m0e wrote: MotaroReloaded wrote:My unstyled dmg with pole vs a bard is 280 dmg including resists and i m a pole arms 5.8 wpn 370 str fully bufed .. why is a troll with 400 str and 10% increase from relics hiting for 480 dmg? Yes with your high quick stats maybe...try to put off all your +quick items, get a red str/con and str buff (no dex/qui buff) and try again against a Berserker or Hunter. They also got 19% absorb plus they are vulernable to slash damage like Bards are vulnerable to crush damage. You will probably also hit them for 350-400 unsyled damage with your 5.8 slash pole. Considering your -30 str and +15 quick (compared to a troll) and the missing 10% relic dmg bonus, you are probably on the same level. Quickness is a big factor here, you will hit very slow but also very hard and this counts for any style, not just for Tundra. Edit: MotaroReloaded wrote:My defender s rage style on arms has 1.399 gr rate , higher then tundra which apears to be 1.34 from the dmg shown .. but i ve never hit any1 so far for 880(-170) .. so stop being a moron , the fact that the style is broken has nothing to do with game play. Defender's Rage got a 1.2 GR if this page is correct -> http://talsyra.tripod.com/daocmechanics/albion_styles.html And as i already mentioned, your problem is the +75 quick template and your dex/qui buff, if you want to hit harder you should get rid of it.... Why the **** should i take my quic off? Do you think Flump and COldhands are retarded and play with no +75 quick in their template?? they also get dex/quic + 8% haste single buff from healer .. yes trolls have 30 quick less big deal ..i got 200 quic bufed they got 170 quick aint gona raise their dmg sky high ! Def rage on uthg is 1.399 gr rate ..look here : http://genuapp.appspot.com/char/class/armsman.html ..i didnt put it there m8. This is my dmg vs a SB with Defender s rage ( 1.399 gr rate higher then Tundra which is 1.34) unbufed , 259 is my unstyled dmg ..nowhere near 480 dmg like Flumps with bufs yes and + 10% from relics , and the style dmg is less then 1 gr rate because of quickness 125 as i have atm.. pole is 5.8 spd and so on .. **** me i want to hit for 830(-183) bufed ! but i m not .. QQ PS For idiots ..like this one above ...to know ..not having quick in your temp will increase your style dmg , unstyled dmg stays the same either you have 50 quick or 300 quick , benefit from quick stat is that you swing faster , so yes if u got higher quick style dmg gets reduced , unstyled dmg doesnt so over all you gain more dps. Glacius ( previous acount name) Albion Glacius - WIzzard Disrupter - Armsman

Grunklestank Myrmidon Posts: 159 Joined: Mar 22, 2017 03:45	by Grunklestank » May 02, 2017 00:08 m0e wrote: MotaroReloaded wrote:My unstyled dmg with pole vs a bard is 280 dmg including resists and i m a pole arms 5.8 wpn 370 str fully bufed .. why is a troll with 400 str and 10% increase from relics hiting for 480 dmg? Yes with your high quick stats maybe...try to put off all your +quick items, get a red str/con and str buff (no dex/qui buff) and try again against a Berserker or Hunter. They also got 19% absorb plus they are vulernable to slash damage like Bards are vulnerable to crush damage. You will probably also hit them for 350-400 unsyled damage with your 5.8 slash pole. Considering your -30 str and +15 quick (compared to a troll) and the missing 10% relic dmg bonus, you are probably on the same level. Quickness is a big factor here, you will hit very slow but also very hard and this counts for any style, not just for Tundra. Edit: MotaroReloaded wrote:My defender s rage style on arms has 1.399 gr rate , higher then tundra which apears to be 1.34 from the dmg shown .. but i ve never hit any1 so far for 880(-170) .. so stop being a moron , the fact that the style is broken has nothing to do with game play. Defender's Rage got a 1.2 GR if this page is correct -> http://talsyra.tripod.com/daocmechanics/albion_styles.html And as i already mentioned, your problem is the +75 quick template and your dex/qui buff, if you want to hit harder you should get rid of it.... This. ALL of this. Thank you m0e. I cannot stand it when imbeciles like this dude make claims like this asinine, anecdotal Polearms statement as some sort of supporting argument for their crying. He leaves out TONS of relevant parameters and facts, yet he thinks that it somehow substantiates his side of the argument. Motaro, you are willfully refusing to consider all of the facts and look at the big picture as a whole. This becomes even more frustrating and dangerous when you get a collection of people that do not understand DOAC game mechanics complaining in unison. Surely the devs are smart enough not to give into this ignorance... right? Given all of the parameters that Flump has described (and how many things have to simultaneously be in place before a Zerker can't even hope for a one-shotting hit), I have seen absolutely nothing in this thread that suggests something is actually broken here. He built his char to be a special snowflake ome-trick pony - and it worked just like he planned. You may not LIKE VendoTundra potentially doing huge burst once every 10 mins, but there's nothing mechanically broken here with the code. (At least that's where I'm betting my $$) - Love, Grunkle Mordred <FE> <Validus> // Gareth (Ringer extraordinaire) "Don't just call me pessimist. Try and read between the lines."

Grunklestank Myrmidon Posts: 159 Joined: Mar 22, 2017 03:45	by Grunklestank » May 02, 2017 00:48 MotaroReloaded wrote:You havent seen cause u re a fuken idiot aight? simple as that . I played Uthg 1.0 toa stats bersy higher rr , i know what unstyled dmg fully bufed looks like and no fuken way you will do 480 dmg unstyled on a bard with 2h . This colection of people like me , tested and found the PA formula , block formula , and many other bugs/fixes that were done on Uthg 1.0 , the numbers are in Flump s pics and the devs will see them because its broken . After its gets fixed you can QQ as long as u want .. 0 ****** given m8. PS AS for FLump ..after having a rr 11 bersy and making again bersy ..shows he cant play anything else and has too much free time on his hands ..which ofc its not our problem , he didnt build shiet ..he s abusing a bug atm . You speak and spell like you're a basement dwelling major fan of tendies. It isn't even a non-native English speaker issue with you, you're just lazy and a direct port from Idiocracy. I can't read this drivel anymore, it's hurting my head. I'm done here - you win - Love, Grunkle Mordred <FE> <Validus> // Gareth (Ringer extraordinaire) "Don't just call me pessimist. Try and read between the lines."

m0e Myrmidon Posts: 94 Joined: Jan 20, 2010 01:00	by m0e » May 02, 2017 01:49 MotaroReloaded wrote:Why the ****** should i take my quic off? Do you think Flump and COldhands are retarded and play with no +75 quick in their template?? they also get dex/quic + 8% haste single buff from healer .. yes trolls have 30 quick less big deal ..i got 200 quic bufed they got 170 quick aint gona raise their dmg sky high ! Yes i think Flump is running a 0 quick temp while he got his 2hand weapon equiped and he can still have a good ammount of quickness while dual wieldig. He probably got 28 quick on his main + offhand, so he will lose 56 quick while taking out his 2hand weapon. Also zerker can compensate the lower quickness a bit by using the LA haste effect if they just equip a 2.9 instead of a 4.0 offhand. MotaroReloaded wrote:This is my dmg vs a SB with Defender s rage ( 1.399 gr rate higher then Tundra which is 1.34) unbufed , 259 is my unstyled dmg ..nowhere near 480 dmg like Flumps with bufs yes and + 10% from relics , and the style dmg is less then 1 gr rate because of quickness 125 as i have atm.. pole is 5.8 spd and so on .. You move out without strength buffs, get str/con debuffed while fighting a shadowblade and think you can compare your damage with a buffed berserker? I think you just don't want to test it, or is it that hard to ask a cleric to help you test something? MotaroReloaded wrote:PS For idiots ..like this one above ...to know ..not having quick in your temp will increase your style dmg , unstyled dmg stays the same either you have 50 quick or 300 quick , benefit from quick stat is that you swing faster , so yes if u got higher quick style dmg gets reduced , unstyled dmg doesnt so over all you gain more dps. You got me wrong there and should read my post again, never said quick would change your unstyled dmg. I said if you are buffed, you will probably also hit them for 350-400 unstyled damage with your 5.8 slash pole and that quickness is a big factor when it comes to Styles.

danteafk Gryphon Knight Posts: 255 Joined: Dec 09, 2009 01:00	by danteafk » May 02, 2017 02:29 Grunklestank wrote: RetardoReloaded wrote:You havent seen cause u re a fuken idiot aight? s You speak and spell like you're a basement dwelling major fan of tendies. It isn't even a non-native English speaker issue with you, you're just lazy and a direct port from Idiocracy. I can't read this drivel anymore, it's hurting my head. I'm done here - you win Twitch Stream Youtube Uthgard Community Discord (unofficial)

oLd-Sneakers Gryphon Knight Posts: 282 Joined: Jun 23, 2009 00:00	by oLd-Sneakers » May 02, 2017 09:00 The tears are delicious, keep up the crying and your pseudo mathematics Google TIVOOK 1.65 skald, and you can see damage screen shots from a troll skald of 1.65 hitting crybaby hibbies for 1000+ dmg. "hurr durrr bajs damage"

m0e Myrmidon Posts: 94 Joined: Jan 20, 2010 01:00	by m0e » May 02, 2017 12:17 MotaroReloaded wrote:Why you fu ck about gameplay ..when i just showed you that the unstyled dmg for Tundra its too high ??? Both of you are unbuffed and got a str/con debuff while fighting a stealther. Your weapon speed is 5.8, Coldhands 5.5 but he got 10% relic bonus and alot higher strength. Your base damage before resists -> 259 His base damage before resists -> 253 while using Tundra. So where is the broken base damage you are talking about? If there is something too high, it would be the GR.

t-bone Myrmidon Posts: 154 Joined: Jun 14, 2011 16:12	by t-bone » May 02, 2017 13:24 m0e wrote: MotaroReloaded wrote:Why you fu ck about gameplay ..when i just showed you that the unstyled dmg for Tundra its too high ??? Both of you are unbuffed and got a str/con debuff while fighting a stealther. Your weapon speed is 5.8, Coldhands 5.5 but he got 10% relic bonus and alot higher strength. Your base damage before resists -> 259 His base damage before resists -> 253 while using Tundra. So where is the broken base damage you are talking about? If there is something too high, it would be the GR. The armsman is diseased+str/con debuffed rofl and he whines he hit near 400 on sb. wtf is this a joke Also many zerks are putting their Qui on LA weaps so once they switch to their 2hand (In flumps case a Dragonstorm slow as ******) they drop prolly 2x 25 qui or 2x 28 qui That added with relics+troll qui is a match made in heaven

t-bone Myrmidon Posts: 154 Joined: Jun 14, 2011 16:12	by t-bone » May 02, 2017 13:26 MotaroReloaded wrote: m0e wrote: MotaroReloaded wrote:My unstyled dmg with pole vs a bard is 280 dmg including resists and i m a pole arms 5.8 wpn 370 str fully bufed .. why is a troll with 400 str and 10% increase from relics hiting for 480 dmg? Yes with your high quick stats maybe...try to put off all your +quick items, get a red str/con and str buff (no dex/qui buff) and try again against a Berserker or Hunter. They also got 19% absorb plus they are vulernable to slash damage like Bards are vulnerable to crush damage. You will probably also hit them for 350-400 unsyled damage with your 5.8 slash pole. Considering your -30 str and +15 quick (compared to a troll) and the missing 10% relic dmg bonus, you are probably on the same level. Quickness is a big factor here, you will hit very slow but also very hard and this counts for any style, not just for Tundra. Edit: MotaroReloaded wrote:My defender s rage style on arms has 1.399 gr rate , higher then tundra which apears to be 1.34 from the dmg shown .. but i ve never hit any1 so far for 880(-170) .. so stop being a moron , the fact that the style is broken has nothing to do with game play. Defender's Rage got a 1.2 GR if this page is correct -> http://talsyra.tripod.com/daocmechanics/albion_styles.html And as i already mentioned, your problem is the +75 quick template and your dex/qui buff, if you want to hit harder you should get rid of it.... Why the **** should i take my quic off? Do you think Flump and COldhands are retarded and play with no +75 quick in their template?? they also get dex/quic + 8% haste single buff from healer .. yes trolls have 30 quick less big deal ..i got 200 quic bufed they got 170 quick aint gona raise their dmg sky high ! Def rage on uthg is 1.399 gr rate ..look here : http://genuapp.appspot.com/char/class/armsman.html ..i didnt put it there m8. This is my dmg vs a SB with Defender s rage ( 1.399 gr rate higher then Tundra which is 1.34) unbufed , 259 is my unstyled dmg ..nowhere near 480 dmg like Flumps with bufs yes and + 10% from relics , and the style dmg is less then 1 gr rate because of quickness 125 as i have atm.. pole is 5.8 spd and so on .. **** me i want to hit for 830(-183) bufed ! but i m not .. QQ PS For idiots ..like this one above ...to know ..not having quick in your temp will increase your style dmg , unstyled dmg stays the same either you have 50 quick or 300 quick , benefit from quick stat is that you swing faster , so yes if u got higher quick style dmg gets reduced , unstyled dmg doesnt so over all you gain more dps. You are str/con debuffed +diseased and unbuffed and you hit for 391. wtf is wrong with you

holsten-knight Lion Knight Posts: 4449 Joined: Jul 15, 2009 00:00 Location: Hamburg Website	by holsten-knight » May 02, 2017 13:52 Maybe there is something wrong with disease or str/con debuff not working correct on Armsman. We should investigate, unbuffed 391 seems way too high under this circumstances Btw: with bof up the tundra damage is more like 80-90 flump told me. Blue Sunday I-VII \| UFC 2vs2 Event

holsten-knight Lion Knight Posts: 4449 Joined: Jul 15, 2009 00:00 Location: Hamburg Website	by holsten-knight » May 02, 2017 14:17 And more on topic: Of course the TL reports of that time were made by noobs. Wouldn't surprise me at all if no one tested slow 2h + no Quick + Vendo + Tundra style at that time. Just parroting the other TLs about their class styles (as I thnink the RA style only make sense for the zerker class). And the growthrate of the RA styles should be way above any normal style. At least 1.5, if this is not the case here => Bugreport, we need harder tundra hits. Last edited by holsten-knight on May 02, 2017 14:41, edited 1 time in total. Blue Sunday I-VII \| UFC 2vs2 Event

Satiah Eagle Knight Posts: 690 Joined: Jun 30, 2012 15:14	by Satiah » May 02, 2017 14:35 holsten-knight wrote:And more on topic: Of course the TL reports of that time where made by noobs. Wouldn't surprise me at all if no one tested slow 2h + no Quick + Vendo + Tundra style at that time. Just parroting the other TLs about their class styles (as I thnink the RA style only make sense for the zerker class). And the growthrate of the RA styles should be way above any normal style. At least 1.5, if this is not the case here => Bugreport, we need harder tundra hits. Austerim wrote:http://www.warcry.com/news/view/12512-Dark-Age-Of-Camelot-Animist-TL-report-1-66 For Animists at least. viewtopic.php?f=9&t=40965 Guess this TL report was made by a noob aswell then. There where a lot more servers and a whole lot more players on the US and EU. You didnt get to be TL without having a good knowledge of your class. They interacted (still do) with Mythic and the playerbase. A lot more players running without a decent template aswell. When it comes to other things we don't dare to question TL reports, yet now we do. It's fine if we can oneshot fully templated buffed people. If it happend back then on a regulair basis, the nerfbat would hit instantly. But yeah everybody back then was clueless and nobody tried it. We know better now and this is perfectly fine. Satiah \| Tuthmes \| Dendera \| Khufu \| Nefertete \| Dahshur \| Nebetah \| Neterbaiu

Torgo Eagle Knight Posts: 827 Joined: Nov 29, 2010 17:57	by Torgo » May 02, 2017 15:25 Lock the thread. There is an issue tracker ticket open however we all know it won't even be investigated. It is what it is. Play here and accept the custom settings or don't. Waste of time discussing any further.

holsten-knight Lion Knight Posts: 4449 Joined: Jul 15, 2009 00:00 Location: Hamburg Website	by holsten-knight » May 02, 2017 17:20 Satiah wrote: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=40965 Guess this TL report was made by a noob aswell then. Sorry if I came across wrong, I know that (most) of the TLs tried their best, although the warrior TL was a noob and never said anything important. But I did not want to accuse all TLs of being noobs, more like everyone was a noob at that time. I think not many ever tried this chain of events that lead to this high damage back then. At least I did not see anyone here write "I did this exact thing back then and did like no damage", and here are all the last pros of daoc together All I can say is: I tested the Warrior RA style here in beta, and it sucked just the same as it did back on live. But warrior has no guaranteed crit that can crit up to 100%. Thats the major difference And flump told me this high damage does not happen too often, and can be countered in a lot of ways (block, bubble, bof...), and has several disadvantages (for example your next hit will be like next year, after one 2 hand hit with dragonstorm without quickness etc.). Most important: it is 1 try every 10 mins, that results in such high dmg like every 10th successful try.So yeah, midgard is uber again Blue Sunday I-VII \| UFC 2vs2 Event

borog Phoenix Knight Posts: 1087 Joined: Oct 23, 2008 00:00	by borog » May 02, 2017 17:26 As i posted on the issue tracker; the maths add up correctly using known formulas for cap damages. Base damage is calculated as follows: DPS * SPD * 3 * (1 + (SPD - 2) * .03) * (1.1 + (.005 x Spec) ; this equates to 423 unstyled damage for that hammer, rounded down presuming a hammer spec of 56 (39+11+6); if its higher spec, the damage would go up. also presuming he has 35 quickness in total (which is possible for a troll bers with 0 in temp), his effective swing speed would be 5.6 * (1- (35 - 60) / 500) * (1 - 0) = 5.88 now calculating the style multiplier, presuming Tundra is 1.34; ((1.34 * 56) * 5.88) / 423 = 1.08 Therefore the style damage cap becomes 441 * 1.08 = 457 Style Damage Add the two together to get cap damage 423 + 457 = 880 Total Damage Then factor in the crit damage potential of 100% for frenzy, you get 1760 damage. Bearing in mind that is cap damage, not actual damage and that numbers may vary depending on whether Blue has stuck to known formulas or not. EDIT* used wrong speed weapon 5.8 instead of 5.6