Cofie wrote:how about mids try to group casters to clear pets?
i know it seems really hard to wrap your heads around but bds and runis are actually insanely good.

+1 mate

BD + RM should be the core of a mid group if you want to be competitive in 8v8.
Or at least 1 of them.

Play with a good BD and ask albs what they think about pets

Since mid cc is rendered useless against any decent group, and there are many now, it comes down 2 rupts and the time to clear or deal with these rupts. Edge goes to hib/alb there... our healers r under a lot of pressure. W/ moc down ive been rendered useless by well played pet classes and bards/druids. Meanwhile i hammer or drop a dd charge if i can.. you can call out our warriors/casters but they cant clear 2-4 tanks +2-4-12pets (see thuerg) before u dps a target or two down.
Ive played all the realms this patch level. The ra/realm balance isnt as far off as some make it but the advantage is obviously not in mid favor in any 8m fight. To deny that is a bit concerning. Albs will walk right down the road bc they know they are stronger, hib tank groups will 1v1 ur support while the tanks 2 round ur dps even warriors. Ive watched all ur streams, there is a reason you arent concerned with midgard anymore and easily dispatch us if ur ras are up. I digress.
Yes, respect is definately there for 8m now and i appreciate all the ggs that have made this na rvr community so much fun! And will continue to bring our pugs out every night thanks 2 the great players in all 3 realms upholding self imposed 8v8 rules. Gj all. Stop rupting me ty bye

Oh ! Also, ding rr6 off mancave last night think we went 1-4 against you guys... gross

Romps wrote:Since mid cc is rendered useless against any decent group, and there are many now, it comes down 2 rupts and the time to clear or deal with these rupts. Edge goes to hib/alb there... our healers r under a lot of pressure. W/ moc down ive been rendered useless by well played pet classes and bards/druids. Meanwhile i hammer or drop a dd charge if i can.. you can call out our warriors/casters but they cant clear 2-4 tanks +2-4-12pets (see thuerg) before u dps a target or two down.
Ive played all the realms this patch level. The ra/realm balance isnt as far off as some make it but the advantage is obviously not in mid favor in any 8m fight. To deny that is a bit concerning. Albs will walk right down the road bc they know they are stronger, hib tank groups will 1v1 ur support while the tanks 2 round ur dps even warriors. Ive watched all ur streams, there is a reason you arent concerned with midgard anymore and easily dispatch us if ur ras are up. I digress.
Yes, respect is definately there for 8m now and i appreciate all the ggs that have made this na rvr community so much fun! And will continue to bring our pugs out every night thanks 2 the great players in all 3 realms upholding self imposed 8v8 rules. Gj all. Stop rupting me ty bye

Oh ! Also, ding rr6 off mancave last night think we went 1-4 against you guys... gross

GRATS!

Yes, we did have some good fights. But one thing i've noticed is the lack of 'good' tanks and healers on mid. Most of your skalds double burst their DD's, and very few healers can actually position correctly and play to the skill cap of the class. I see tanks breaking CC consistently and picking bad targets etc etc

If mid ran the correct setup with good players, it would be unstoppable...

Alb is also very controllable, you just have to play against them correctly. However, ice theurg pets being broken swings balance a little bit. Once ice pets are fixed, they will be much more balanced and be much easier to fight. Thank god Pbuk is the only theurg that's very good atm.

We have yet to run a full guild group and become 100% organized. We pug nightly and coach them into our playstyle and ideal of what we want our groups to do.

Romps wrote: Ive played all the realms this patch level. The ra/realm balance isnt as far off as some make it but the advantage is obviously not in mid favor in any 8m fight. To deny that is a bit concerning. Ive watched all ur streams, there is a reason you arent concerned with midgard anymore and easily dispatch us if ur ras are up. I digress.

I agree, Mid tank group with our current setup is just RA food. We haven't lost a straight 8v8 to a mid tanker setup in weeks when running our normal caster setup. That being said, a mid hybrid with rm + bd is a whole new story. We fought a 2rm + bd setup that we actually ended up losing to after we went completely OOP and simply couldn't keep fighting. They continually cleared pets, PR'd , etc until we were spent.

I think once mids start trying out more caster hybrids, they will find that they do a lot better against alb caster setups.

Mancav3 wrote:Alb is also very controllable, you just have to play against them correctly.

would that include training a minstrel on engage when minstrel has 3 casters in his group? :<

you guys did that to me twice last night. i told my group i was fine with dying first but if i have 3 caster in group and im being trained on inc, what are you doing? if minstrel is trained on inc it is equivalent to training bard on inc against hibs. pretty pointless and you should lose a tank or two for doing that sort of behavior.

anyways nice fights, we went 1 for 3 against u last night. c u out there.

The blatant and immodest elitism aside there is good rvr information in this thread.

Regarding the Skald dd and interputs I notice more and more supports have learned to move just outside that 700 range luring one to over extend before trying to casting again, still having 800 cast range left to play with.. Frustrating!
Better make sure you RM wins the NS war..

The 1500 dd charges help a ton but that severe cooldown makes timing it neigh impossible.

Keep up the healthy 8v8 discussion!
I'm extremely rusty, low on game time and out of sync with the meta last 10 years.
Stuff like this is a gold mine for me trying to improve.

Zocci wrote:Regarding the Skald dd and interputs I notice more and more supports have learned to move just outside that 700 range luring one to over extend before trying to casting again, still having 800 cast range left to play with.. Frustrating!

This.

700 range is nearly melee range i've seen some people hit me at (call it lag, or call it uthgard mechanics, w/e). The extra 400 range live sites give (with toa range) is a big deal.

Romps wrote:Since mid cc is rendered useless against any decent group, and there are many now, it comes down 2 rupts and the time to clear or deal with these rupts. Edge goes to hib/alb there... our healers r under a lot of pressure. W/ moc down ive been rendered useless by well played pet classes and bards/druids. Meanwhile i hammer or drop a dd charge if i can.. you can call out our warriors/casters but they cant clear 2-4 tanks +2-4-12pets (see thuerg) before u dps a target or two down.
Ive played all the realms this patch level. The ra/realm balance isnt as far off as some make it but the advantage is obviously not in mid favor in any 8m fight. To deny that is a bit concerning. Albs will walk right down the road bc they know they are stronger, hib tank groups will 1v1 ur support while the tanks 2 round ur dps even warriors. Ive watched all ur streams, there is a reason you arent concerned with midgard anymore and easily dispatch us if ur ras are up. I digress.
Yes, respect is definately there for 8m now and i appreciate all the ggs that have made this na rvr community so much fun! And will continue to bring our pugs out every night thanks 2 the great players in all 3 realms upholding self imposed 8v8 rules. Gj all. Stop rupting me ty bye

Oh ! Also, ding rr6 off mancave last night think we went 1-4 against you guys... gross

Play more casters, and more warriors. no 3 healers. the setups I have seen appear to be based on 1.0 and the other freeshard where 3 healers and all tanks were effective. Uthgard 2.0 is a completely different game, and should be treated as such.

Still waiting to see the mid debuff group....who has the stones? I would love to run one.

https://gyazo.com/ec761eb30c1e0c5127b105c187c6e2b5

ya mid caster grp

Eclipz wrote:https://gyazo.com/ec761eb30c1e0c5127b105c187c6e2b5

ya mid caster grp

Do that on live. Works the same. If it would not work like that you would be out of range all the time.

Uthgard doesn't have a 700 range like someone above stated. Due to network delays it will look like it if all are moving but so it does on live servers.

Blue wrote:

Eclipz wrote:https://gyazo.com/ec761eb30c1e0c5127b105c187c6e2b5

ya mid caster grp

Do that on live. Works the same. If it would not work like that you would be out of range all the time.

Uthgard doesn't have a 700 range like someone above stated. Due to network delays it will look like it if all are moving but so it does on live servers.

there's a Mid caster grp Low Expectations I think? they are a pretty scary fight most times.

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aylictal wrote:

Mancav3 wrote:Alb is also very controllable, you just have to play against them correctly.

would that include training a minstrel on engage when minstrel has 3 casters in his group? :<

you guys did that to me twice last night. i told my group i was fine with dying first but if i have 3 caster in group and im being trained on inc, what are you doing? if minstrel is trained on inc it is equivalent to training bard on inc against hibs. pretty pointless and you should lose a tank or two for doing that sort of behavior.

anyways nice fights, we went 1 for 3 against u last night. c u out there.

lol, the times we trained you is because you ran into our backfield and out of heal range (your clerics kited)

gg bud

i was on pendragon testing something the other day and i can assure you this 500 range melee doesn't happen.

and mid caster would be fun to do and my group would love to do it but leveling again etc is too much work.

Appreciate all the constructive advice / opinions on the subject. Yall maybe enemies but also friends ! (With red names) Will attempt stronger group builds and execution. Need to alleviate some of my realmmates frustrations as many have left game or moved to your realms. GiGS. Mid was popping a few weeks ago too many na times now its dwindling hard n fast, getting rough to field any concistency in our groups... oh well im not gonna quit at worst ill go fight stealthers !

Mancav3 wrote:
Alb is also very controllable, you just have to play against them correctly. However, ice theurg pets being broken swings balance a little bit. Once ice pets are fixed, they will be much more balanced and be much easier to fight. Thank god Pbuk is the only theurg that's very good atm.

We have yet to run a full guild group and become 100% organized. We pug nightly and coach them into our playstyle and ideal of what we want our groups to do.

Broken in what way?