Playing as alb with so few albs out, if I'm in a pug that took me 3 hours to form only to go out and die to the 32 mids all foaming at the mouth for 50rps to kill me and my group gives me 0 incentive to go back out, so I'll just say ****** it and log.

If you want to keep adding though go for it, but don't expect me to reform the group I spent 3 hours making in order to just get zerged.

Alb isn't exactly easy to make groups with like the other 2 realms can. If theres only 8 albs out (NA Primetime this can happen a lot), then have fun with an empty zone.

I enjoy running 8's, and I won't add if I see a fight going on. I unfortunately can't stop people from running over solo's in my pugs but I do ignore them most of the time myself because they're usually not a threat and they will drop your groups speed and end up screwing you over most of the time where it's not even worth it.

When I'm solo though, I expect groups to kill me so it's not really a deal with me. Groups consistantly adding on me during a group fight however is just stupid.

Just one albs opinion.

XiaN^^ wrote:

Shafi wrote:8men who kill Solos can't complain about solos adding 8vs8.
And there are very few 8men who let solos live.

solos who add 8v8 cant complain about 8mans killing solos
and there are zero solos that dont add 8v8.

the end

Wrong, i do not add 8v8, i even stay behind and watch usually.
Sometimes, dumb winners even chase me after fight (that i didn't add).

The only situation where i fight to make it 9vs8 is when a group chase me for 2 minutes and i end up leading them into another FG.
Then, i turn on them as hard as i can, instant karma.


So please, don't generalize to " every solo add 8v8 no discussion " that's just wrong.



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BTW i don't mind getting killed by 8mans when i solo, if they catch me at a corner, good.
However, getting chased for more than 2 minutes (2invigo pot used sometimes) is just pathetic, an add on those particular groups can bu understandable then..

If it becomes known that you don't add 8v8, either by repeatedly showing you will not add, or simply by communicating it here or in IRC, more groups are likely to let you go. It is an uphill battle however, because there will always be groups who simply do not care. When you have been respectful of a group and they roll you anyway, my advice is just brush it off. That is the only way to break the cycle.

On live it's almost sacrilegious for any group to add on a soloer named Akdave. However, his reputation wasn't established over night and he only managed it by being consistent in his actions.

I add on every group, every duo, every small man that has killed me when I am out running around solo. Don't want me to add on you, don't kill me 2 on 1, 4 on 1, 8 on 1.

Ive always been a solo player until uthgard. If you want to be solo, you have to realize the frustrations that comes with it. You are going to get rolled 8v1.....a lot. It doesnt matter if you just watch the 8v8 happen and they come roll you.

A lot of "solo" players are adders and groups know it. It takes a LONG time to build that rep before people in voice will be like nah....that guy...cool dude let him solo. Even after building that rep you will still get rolled.

Its not really something worth complaining about it. Its going to happen. If you really want to be a solo player I have respect for you because that is something that is very hard to do here.

It sucks that groups roll you yeah, but give it more time man, if you keep respecting people will start to notice. It wont be 100% that they let you live but you will start to see a difference over time.

It's not really about 8v8 as it is about bad players. Buds, Kite Squad, some others *usually* don't kill soloers, because those of us in those guilds are not desperate for RPs. The RR2 groups who have never won an 8v8 fight will chase you forever because they really want the RPs. Also, many soloers and almost all small mans will add on an 8v8, which makes it even harder to give people the benefit of the doubt.

People don't want clean 8v8s because of some idiotic elitist mentality. They want it because that's what they enjoy, and if people add on it and ruin it, it's like having a referee make a bad call that throws a game. It just makes it no fun for anyone.

Ensley03 wrote:It's not really about 8v8 as it is about bad players. Buds, Kite Squad, some others *usually* don't kill soloers, because those of us in those guilds are not desperate for RPs. The RR2 groups who have never won an 8v8 fight will chase you forever because they really want the RPs. Also, many soloers and almost all small mans will add on an 8v8, which makes it even harder to give people the benefit of the doubt.

People don't want clean 8v8s because of some idiotic elitist mentality. They want it because that's what they enjoy, and if people add on it and ruin it, it's like having a referee make a bad call that throws a game. It just makes it no fun for anyone.

It all boils down to you seemingly want an arena DAoC style of play. That isn't what the game was designed as, just something that formed out of it. It's going to be a never ending battle between the people who want to enforce and build that style of play, and those who don't give a ******.

Last time I checked, there is a DAoC arena server. Why don't those groups just go organize fights on that server?

I enjoy 8v8, solo,smallman, and zerg v zerg and it's a pain when you get assjammed, run up on, etc - it's more of a pain when people run with the expectation that they will receive fair fights. Personally some of the best moments I've had is when the fight gets added on and you succeed against an uphill battle. On the contrary, I've also been in some tough even fights and been extremely happy that the Mid group didn't just plow us and end what was otherwise a good fight - I understand both sides of it.

The other reality is that 8v8 isn't a very friendly place if you suck or don't have the right group comp. If 75% of all the RvR on this server is 8v8 and your guilds Sorc/Mins/etc quit or realm swapped while leveling and you didn't find another - you are going to have a bad time. If you are low RR, have no relics, and already weren't that good - you are going to have a bad time. I've ran in enough pugs with you that fall into one of these categories and it ends up being an exercise in time wasting/RP donations. So what do these people do if they can never quite make the grade? Either quit, try and fix their comp/lack of skill, or find an alternative style of play (ie: bring more dudes). I've already seen a few of the more lackluster 8v8 guilds start to fade out for this reason - they realize they can't compete and end up going away. I'd rather see them form up and find their own way in RvR... more bodies... more people to kill, etc.

Ensley03 wrote: They want it because that's what they enjoy, and if people add on it and ruin it, it's like having a referee make a bad call that throws a game. It just makes it no fun for anyone.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there is no player limit to a given RVR zone, right? So... how does other players actually attacking enemies in a RVR enabled zone "ruin" anything when the game (by definition) is a Realm Versus Realm game? I'm going to be a meanie-pants and say it... you're not a more special snowflake then that guy who toiled away on his Scout and is just trying (desperately) to have some fun (on his admittedly gimped class) because you play something that's groupable and wanted/needed. He's totally free to add all he wants to any fight he sees when he's out there. Unfortunately he cannot control the bullcrap that this server has in it's place instead of "realm pride". And... it's also not a "only 24 players per realm in this zone!" thing for a reason, nor was it designed that way. Saying that someone playing the game under the very ruleset the game is running under (any enemy can attack any enemy) is "ruining" anything is ridiculous.

I'm not ignorant on a "pure" 8 vs 8 fight going down and it being fun to have a competitive battle, (when I had no responsibilities as a teenager I subscribed to that mindset before leaving just after ToA), but as others have said (countless times better then I) ... this game truly shines when it's completely up in the air with what you face... it loses a TON of luster when you basically know what you're going to run into...

And that's what is really sad to me: the lack of creativity and overall banality of the grouping dynamics here on Uthgard v2. If there's a roaming Mid/Alb/Hib on this server you can rattle off the exact classes and specs that they're going to run which makes it boring as all hell. It's people forcing MOBA rules on an RVR game, (and the DEVS and patch level supporting that garbage mindset and playstyle).

TL;DR ... The current server right now lacks any variety and there's no real reason for the non-hardcore to play... and it's not going to last because of it.

I almost exclusively solo and the only reason I don't add on even 8v8 fights sometimes is because I'm worried that the Mid group will lose anyway and I'll just get run over afterward. As a non-speed visible solo with a large string of pets trailing behind him, it can be pretty hard to get through busy areas without getting run over so having those groups fighting each other is sort of an opportunity to get by safely.

That said, I will add on these fights without worrying about people not liking it, especially if one of the groups had already rolled over me recently. I try to be careful about it so I don't screw up my realmmates' tactics. I've never actually received flames for doing this, so maybe it doesn't even seem like groups are that sensative about it, but maybe it just doesn't happen enough for it to be an issue. On the other hand, the only 8-man group that has ever not rolled over me was a group that Music was running in one night. It was kinda dead and they ran over me the first time they saw, but then passed me by several times after that. While I appreciated it, as a solo player, I don't expect that behavior and I really doubt it will change whether I'll add or not to that group's fights.

vulna wrote:If it becomes known that you don't add 8v8, either by repeatedly showing you will not add, or simply by communicating it here or in IRC, more groups are likely to let you go. It is an uphill battle however, because there will always be groups who simply do not care. When you have been respectful of a group and they roll you anyway, my advice is just brush it off. That is the only way to break the cycle.

On live it's almost sacrilegious for any group to add on a soloer named Akdave. However, his reputation wasn't established over night and he only managed it by being consistent in his actions.

Akdave! I remember that guy. I was once fooling around solo on a group specced bard and he let me kill him for some reason. Took like 2 full bars of power to do it with just CL abilities.

But to be honest, if Akdave was known for not adding, it's probably partially because it would be really hard to add as a warrior. I mean, you could easily be mistaken as part of the enemy group and you have to put yourself in harms way to hit anything, so you're likely to just get focused down pretty quick.

I think things are always gonna be messy until like others have said, people learn what guilds and players don't add or assjam. It's gonna take time and patience (especially from the solo players) cuz there's always gonna be pugs that don't care and just want rps.

And that's fine, imo. I like the challenge that comes with "messy" fights. We have so many 8v8s and I remember some fun ones, but my favorite moments from Uthgard so far have involved way more than 16 players.

The 8v8 that turns into a 3-way, that then gets hit by another mid grp, and then another... those have been my most memorable fights, where we end up winning 7 minutes later and I've burned about 6-7 endo pots and we're all asking "how many was that?" That's why I'll never play an arena server, and why I'll withhold any complaints about adds during fights.

i wouldn't mind getting jammed as a realm that has the perfect tools for saving people in a bad position.

XiaN^^ wrote:
its more like "look a potential adder, kill it before it can ruin a good fight" no1 gives a ****** about your 200 rps :p

XiaN^^ wrote:solos who add 8v8 cant complain about 8mans killing solos
and there are zero solos that dont add 8v8.

the end

If you kill every potential adder you basically make sure he becomes an acutal adder later on.
If you let him live he might think twice about adding next time.

Whatever you do with them, if you gank all solos it's just ridiculous to point out that there are "zero solos that don't add 8v8".

It's as simple as that.

Wow, a thread about adding and 8vs8 and stuff... at least the forum is still so 2003, good job.

Always add. Red = Dead. Stay in the back and focus down their healers/clerics/druids

worse thing on the realm imho is elitism and a double standard. If an 8 man can steam roll a soloer, a soloer can always add on 8v8's.

The 8 mans NEED to stop steamrolling solos! (see what I did there)