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Postby Grunklestank » Apr 14, 2017 17:07

Is spell resist rate affected by the caster's level or the spell's level? Or both? (And I'm assuming the target's level is factored in here either way?)
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Postby Sendnudez » Apr 15, 2017 01:44

I have wanted to help figure this out so have been documenting the chances I'm able to screenshot the combat log. I now have extensive time playing Enchanter in RvR & am positive that something is wrong. Multiple times a day I am killed by a resist streak in 1v1, & messed up in 8v8 due to the resist chance.

This first screen shot is a 1v1 with a R1 lv 50 Necromancer. His Abomination is obviously blue con:

http://imgur.com/a/rReyM

This 2nd screen shot is a 1v1 with a Skald:

http://imgur.com/a/ccdxd

This 3rd is from a 1v1 with an inf - he got the opening on me but notice his initial first misses & my resist to his posion. Wonder if it's related:

http://imgur.com/a/1afBX

This 4th is from my guild's Hero, the miss streaks seem to mirror the resist streaks & seem to happen in 4's: (not definite, just an observation)

http://imgur.com/a/HkQIt

This 5th is another miss streak on another fight a few minutes later:

http://imgur.com/a/sMvVC



Anyway I can assist in helping to test things here, please let me know!
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Postby Blue » Apr 15, 2017 03:15

Don't you see that you hit on bladeturn? That produces the miss.
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Postby CampJR » Apr 15, 2017 03:49

Blue wrote:Don't you see that you hit on bladeturn? That produces the miss.


you cant possibly only comment on the one legitimate screenshot that he hit bubble. What about the rest? Ive been absolutely disgusted at resist and miss rates.. something just isnt right.

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Postby Blue » Apr 15, 2017 03:54

CampJR wrote:you cant possibly only comment on the one legitimate screenshot that he hit bubble. What about the rest? Ive been absolutely disgusted at resist and miss rates.. something just isnt right.

Then please look at the rest. They look normal. The resists he sees inbetween are not from himself but from his pet. That is no streak. A streak would be you cast a spell on your enemy and resist that, and that many times. There will be occasional 3 resists in a row. Thats still normal.

When we talk about resistrate we shouldn't mix things up, like he did with the misses where he missed by bladeturn or the resists produced by his pet. I can change the message in chat so it gets more clear if needed.
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Pala says, "i am disabled. and i have a mechanic left hand that can be programed. its hard to play woith one hand"

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Postby Grunklestank » Apr 15, 2017 08:33

Sendnudes, from your usual forum activity, I can see that you're a reasonably smart guy. Why the hell would you post the last 2 screenshots with the "melee miss streaks"? I actually agree that resist rates seem off on Uth, so I'm not opposing what you're trying to prove at all - but why post such bad examples? Such easily refuted "proof" is going to get this legit issue instantly blown off by the devs :(

Bro there's 2 really obvious things going on here:

1) clearly bladeturn is F'ing you - many multiple times

2) the Hero is trying to land Slam... a SHIELD style (i.e. low weapskill, with no +hit bonus)... which the target's stats can make even harder land. I doubt anyone who plays a Slam tank looks at these screenshots and thinks twice about them.

Again, I agree with your overall point, but c'mon man - these last 2 screenshots are not helping our case and will only encourage the staff to be dismissive.

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Postby Sendnudez » Apr 15, 2017 17:45

I see what you're saying, but the point of the last shot is to show the frustration accompanied with this system in general. It feels very hard to be able to rely on your abilities / do your class job. In the cases of both meele shots, a complete inability to peel. A miss rate like that is not normal, regardless of a PBT. We can choose to focus on those screenshots & nitpick a slam miss rate, & choose to ignore how in the hell a solo Necromancer resisted at that rate.

The majority of times the resist streaks happen are during 8v8 as that's largely my playstyle, & being able to go back & screenshot the log is sometimes hard, but I will provide more as they come. Hopefully others have some to provide as well because I sure know I'm not the only one.
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Postby gary` » Apr 15, 2017 23:56

I've been playing this game since release, and I never in the history of this game recall seeing posts regarding resist / miss rates. But now after playing uthgard, its in every other thread topic.

Weird, almost makes you think there's an issue? nah..

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Postby sayra » Apr 16, 2017 12:47

I swear it almost feels like resist is affecting resist rate could this be a bug or something?

The resist rate on this server is insane compared to live.

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Postby fremster » Apr 16, 2017 23:32

Another pointless screenshot.. but imagine the frustration :P

http://i.imgur.com/3ezgrOK.png

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Postby Sendnudez » Apr 17, 2017 04:32

fremster wrote:Another pointless screenshot.. but imagine the frustration :P

http://i.imgur.com/3ezgrOK.png


This gives me aids
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Postby Grunklestank » Apr 17, 2017 09:53

sayra wrote:I swear it almost feels like resist is affecting resist rate could this be a bug or something?


The screenshot above seems to lend credence to this idea... Landing the mezz on a Warden (who was not 50 at that time), and what I assume is his groupmate, with resist buffs up... I realise this could just be pure coincidence, but then again there might be something to this bug idea. Worth investigating imo.
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Postby Genjiro » Apr 17, 2017 14:58

Resist buffs do not affect the resist chance of spells.
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Postby holsten-knight » Apr 17, 2017 16:13

Miss rate with shield and melee styles feels absolutely normal and correct is my perception so far. Of course you miss more with slam shield style as with melee styles with to hit bonus. But that was always the case.

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Postby Grenouille » Apr 17, 2017 16:23

The number of left hand misses is quite impressive. I also have a feeling that I'm having a lot of misses on my dual wield. Just a feeling tho, nothing to prove it.

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