I do understand the power and PvE efficiency of a good PBAOE group but does Hib rely on it too much? It seems unless you fit with the standard PBAOE setup (especially as a caster) getting groups is quite the challenge. Not everyone's end goal is RvR but forcing casters into cookie cutter PvE specs to fit the standard group template really just hurts the realm in the end (no one wants to be forced to rely on respec stones). Groups can still be quite effective without purely full mana specs. Hell, PBAOE doesn't even exist for the most part in Alb and they do OK leveling. Help out your friendly light enchanter! Don't force him to a be a focus shield farm bot. You'll appreciate his ranged DPS and melee debuffs in the end!

The time you save by leveling up as mana you can use to kill the dragon and respec to light if you want to go light so bad lol.

Plus its also much easier to farm as mana so you can make more money as well.

If Midgard has Modernagrav it would be camped 24/7 just as pygmys and fins.

Its kind of like choosing your car on vacation would you choose the 2016 Corvette (mana) or the 1995 Civic (Light)

light chanter is a bad spec. spec nuke...vs debuff your own nuke. yes baseline vs spec line but its about the same...you get pbaoe and focus pull instead...

what else do you get? If you wanted to go light you should have just made a ment or eld...they both do it better....

Focus pull grps are just easier as a caster, until u gotta nearsight pull fins for a week straight as an eld... <shiver>

Light chanters/ments and void elds are fun in bg's, not so much when u have to solo grind after 35. Caster specs with single target dd spells only dont really even have a place in tank grps either since these types of grps typically chain pull high purples that a caster can barely scratch b4 resting for mana the next 5 pulls.

I get your point and it's legit, but people gonna be people and choose the path of least resistance.

Torgo wrote: Hell, PBAOE doesn't even exist for the most part in Alb and they do OK leveling.

Albs have necros. To go with Exde's car comparison, that's like saying albs do just fine without corvettes... Its because they fly ****** helicopters everywhere!?

And like everyone said, light is just terrible. I agree hibs use focus too much, but that's because no tanks have any gear so melee groups blow.

BananaHands wrote:And like everyone said, light is just terrible. I agree hibs use focus too much, but that's because no tanks have any gear so melee groups blow.

It is probably because it is hibs easiest way to gain xp at a rapid rate. You would see more hib groups if Hibs Melee did as much damage as Mid Melee or if they even had access to Celerity. But on this patch level Hibs have been given an easy focus class, being enchanters other specs are useless, to be paired with Mentalists Heal Over Time just makes focus pulling such an easy valid option for exping.

It all about using the tools you are given, the game is 17 years old, fastest xp on hib is focus pulling.

U need one of each naturalist classes - bard, druid & warden - for an effective melee grp - much easier said then done when either of the 3 can get into a FP grp 5 lvls higher.

And any tank grp without a warden is severely limited in effectiveness, especially when there's 2+ stealthers in the said "tank grp".

2 druids 4 melee and bubble warden can kill faster then a pbaoe group and its alot more fun then sitting and waiting for power

why do you think mid beat everyone to rvr?

nuglord wrote:2 druids 4 melee and bubble warden can kill faster then a pbaoe group and its alot more fun then sitting and waiting for power

why do you think mid beat everyone to rvr?

missing a bard?

and no, they cannot.

Enchanter Druid Druid Bard Eld Bomb Bomb Bomb can chain 5-10 red/purple mobs every 2 minutes. Might want to re-think your logic pal.

Mids could of beat everyone by having Celerity massive amount of tanks LFG all the time since there arent many casters it makes forming a group easy and mindless.
Also Population and having DF 24/7 for the first month or two may help as well.

nuglord wrote:2 druids 4 melee and bubble warden can kill faster then a pbaoe group and its alot more fun then sitting and waiting for power

How fun is it to sit and wait for end to regen?

nuglord wrote:why do you think mid beat everyone to rvr?

Because the grp that nolife'ed the hardest rolled mid.

I thought a lot about this stuff to be honest, and I came to the conclusion that a lot of the problems in PvE and RvR boil down to a ****** patch. Using a more PvE friendly patch would have been much better for having a consistent flow of people leveling, especially having an easier time soloing. This keeps players interested so they don't give up when it's either too hard or they can't find a group. Not getting Tireless as a standard ability at level 15 or so really hurts, especially the ****** Uthgard Tireless, which I really can't remember it being that bad on classic.

I feel some things need to be amended to retain a healthy population on Uthgard.

As for Hib, unlike Mid, Bards seem a lot harder to come by than Shamans for groups, despite there being a reasonably large amount of them, so melee classes seem more like the black sheep to the group. But overall, Hib is all about the casters. It's the glass cannon realm, which is why a lot of people consider it hard mode. As for different class specs, I've always been an advocate of people choosing to play how they want. I think if you make a strange hybrid group, it really comes down to what you kill and how you go about doing so. For example, melee is much better at killing 1 or 2 strong purple con mobs at a time, because melee has a consistent and efficient damage output, and spells would just resist and be very uneconomical power wise. However, a bomb group can take down a number of slightly weaker mobs in one go; but saying that, a bomb group can epic fail or have lengthy down time if things go tits up.

Castra wrote:
As for Hib, unlike Mid, Bards seem a lot harder to come by than Shamans for groups,

I can say this, as an ex-Mid. Shaman is a hell of a lot more fun to play than a bard. Bard, solo? Crap cant happen. Shaman? Bolt, dot, disease, endo regn, uber.