Hittings wrote:

barto22 wrote:

Tree wrote:

barto22"]Says the guy who runs a bog BG but doesnt invite other people to his group.

Well thats simply not true, I have helped out a lot of people over the past weeks and will continue to do so.

However why do you think you are entitled to be PLed by me? I dont even know you and I sure as hell wont sacrifice my free evening to help you out, because you think thats my job and duty.

From the very beginning Ive told people to socialize, join a guild and make friends doing normal XP groups. If you dont do that and show up for a zerg event believing some total stranger will PL you, then you are in for a well deserved disappointment.

[quote="barto22 wrote:Instead you demand pom from others while you sit comfy in your 2x animist group. I even called you out but there was no remorse.

Calling me out, thats cute. Let me explain the difference between asking and demanding to you.
I occassionally ask nicely for POM, its a nice minor buff to damage output. I am happy if someone likes to sacrifice 3 seconds casttime and a bit of mana to give me one and I even paid for it in the past, if the ment asked for it. Using POM3 buff bracers will cost you 10g per use, so a ment selling POM5 for the same is actually a win/win situation.
You demand I (or anybody really) sacrifices his entire evening (6 hrs = 21600 seconds or the the equivalent of 7200 POM casts) to get you ahead in this game and write angry retorts on the forum for not being obliged. Thats wrong, rude and certainly not a win/win situation.

Overall this is a perfect example of another player having a funky idea and trying to force something he will benefit from unto other players (just like Kpax in the initial story)

Plot twist------------

I wasn't asking to join your group. I already had a group and I wasn't being PL'd. I was asking that the zerg leaders sorted out the groups so that each group had an animist and that the ungrouped players could get an invite.

So, before you think that this was about me being greedy or entitled then think again.

The fact that you and you pal were demanding pom and demanding animists started shrooming ahead without considering the rest of the BG just tells me how selfish you guys can be. You were 2 animists.. I wonder where the loot was going.

If your going to complain about loot from the bog...you need to take a step back, grow up, and get over yourself. Its okay when the animist help you directly, but when they aren't shame on them? I don't see people going out of their way to even group an animist unless in a bog bg or a shroom group. Everyone is there for the exp...why don't you take a step back help your realm instead of being a dick who can't even hand out poms?

Oh its an animist laying on the ground, lets kick them a few more times while they are nerfed to hell please...[/quote]

Again, not me being entitled. I don't care for loot, but there has certainly been talk of it in game and in the forums. Take a look at the bigger picture rather than just from your own point of view for a change. Maybe consider everybody - isn't that the point of the zerg?

I'm not a mentalist either so it really makes you guys look silly when you jump to conclusions trying to back up your own selfish story.

Grouped the person this thread is about before and while not giving out social spots for the sake of effectivity, everything went smooth (and effective); so no complaints from my side....
but isnt this thread actually name calling? I would expect a forum admin to interfere here

Hey Hey Hey much love and fluffyness to all <3

Like many many many happy endings all around.

And now to business.

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Bog exp BG ... DIED.

Until some days ago when couple of guilds and friends decided that, its time to go there and EXP, and get some loot maby (depending who shows up).

So one of the 1st groups joining after many weeks of no Bog exp BG, was my group consisting ;

5 Animists, Druid, Mentalist and a player outside of our guild, a really nice person of a player (only one 50, me, so in a sence i am PLing 7 players).

to be honest, bog was dead as a BG, the only groups rolling there are melee FGs x2 chaining mobs with mez on the side.

=> Anyway => we arrived to bog, and started pulling, and in 2 hours our BG size went from 20 players to 60 players... and its totally fine, BUT => think about it, we do the BG, lead and manage the initial groups and form as a unified player group and continue farming until we have it @tower and its a joyride after that.

Then we have players 95% of players who contact BG and managers, that are really nice people <3 and ofc we try to help as much as we can, but @end of the day, we have premade groups for one purpose only, to exp and grind gold for the guild so we can prosper as a whole (BG divides gold to all who are in BG and ofc we are in it so our kills contribute to everyones purses when we loot the golds).

But there are different stages of the BG, and i want to clarify how it goes ;

1) 1st Pull, low amount of players, really good experience and premades get most of the loot (location => Shore / Stones).

2) Transition from Stone to tower, good exp, people start to arrive and this transition can be fast or take up to 30min-60min ( location stones/tower , premades get some of the loot not all as the area is long).

3) Tower camp achieved, exp starts to be ok if you DD/AoE/DoT more, shroom less. (location stays at Tower, loot is divided to lvl50s that burst, or groups that have a lot of dmg all around).

4) Tower camp , BG is too big, Exp is terrible and people consider leaving, groups start to remove players so the lvl 40=> actually get experience. (optimal group member amount 1x50, 3x40=>). => loot is totally random on all big pulls.

5) Tower camp, Late night, people have left to sleep and the exp is insanely good, BG struggles every now and then on megapulls and some people die randomly, wipe is a possibility. => loot is divided by burst dps and groups with a lot of dps.

6) 1st wipe or a BG leader call to fall back to stone, exp is insanely good, BG is under 20 players. => loot goes mainly to dps groups

7) 1st wipe at stone, BG moves to shore or it breaks up. => loot goes to any burst dps mainly.

Time used from 1st pull to end => 9 hours ~~ soso

This is how it works.

Now i can tell you all, that Tree has been there from 1st pull to x hours(many times), and anyone there from 1st pull, can do what ever he or she likes to do, as a BG leader or co leader, any player that contribute in any way to BG, can do what ever he or she likes. Leech from BG, burst dps solo, bring a group of lvl50s to dps and "steal all loot", i personally do not care, as long as there is contribution to the BG to make it roll on and achieve its lifecycle from 1 to 7.

This is the goal, to have the BG rolling, with zero deaths, and steady max speed pulls from every possible distance and mob group near the tower.

Focus of this whole BG is Experience. As a low bonus, higher level players get loot (dps & dps/groups). => Example 2 days of Bogging with guild 7 players , 16-18 hours, = 4000 gold soso~ , is 222 gold per hour divided to 7 players, 31g per hour per player. (BG income not included / PL gold not included if any).

So yea, the reason premades are there, is experience for a friend or guildie, gold is minimal secondary bonus.

AND on the side it gives HUGE possibilities to other players to get some loot (if high enuff to dps enuff) and that so much needed Experience. I always say, if you are low level, bring a high level friend with you, works everytime.

<3 love you all <3

And then there is the 5% of players, who i dont want even to talk about.

=)

That's great, and I don't disagree. What annoyed me is that a pair of animists can decide to control a whole BG just to benefit themselves. BGs are supposed to involve everybody. That's the whole point. If you weren't interested in the BG then why create it?


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barto22 wrote:That's great, and I don't disagree. What annoyed me is that a pair of animists can decide to control a whole BG just to benefit themselves. BGs are supposed to involve everybody. That's the whole point. If you weren't interested in the BG then why create it?

And thats where you are wrong.

A zerg is an open xp event, everyone can join and it offers equal opportunities for everybody. No player on this shard has an inherent advantage over somebody else, we all started at zero and have the potential to do the exact same things.
Now to take advantage of a zerg, you have to bring dmg or you wont get ****** out of it. That has been the case for the last 15 years so it shouldnt be news to anybody.
If you fail to do so, its your fault and not the fault of other players that did it right and refuse to PL you out of the kindness of their heart.

Look maybe you genuinely believe in self-sacrifice, communism and charity. Maybe it gives you the greatest joy just to help out anybody else before you think of yourself, but thats your thing. Dont demand it from anybody else.

Hmm,

It is true that 2 x DPS players or more can (or one 50 dps caster) can burst use their power to get a possibility for loot drops. But that is just that, its a possibility, not a certain 100% chance, as i could be there with my 4 Ani friends +menta, and then, when you burst, we burst and the player/group that does most dps wins the loot. (i am totally ok with this).

Then there is players who arrive late, and are not in BG and are level 50, AND have no exp gaining player in group. And are there only for bursting for loot drops. => there is nothing we can do , but i personally do not like players who do this, and i do have a list of names who do that.

I have already said, that if there is a PL character in a 50s group(a player under 50), i am 100% fine if they focus on loot whoring. But having only 50s, and not in BG and only using the BG as a tank, so they can get loot, is ... not nice... but nothing we can do about it and i do have a list :/

But if they help to get the BG rolling from 1st pull, i am 100% fine with even pure 50s group or a solo 50, or any form of 50s group, not a problem.

Its about the whole of BG, cycle of life => if it does not start, it wont end and thus generate ZERO Exp.

my 2c.

Sidenote1: also remember, the faster the mobs are pulled, the faster exp it is. (just do not wipe the BG, by mezzing every mob in 10km radius)

Sidenote2: Our group did nuke some long range mobs from 100% to 0% , solo as a group. And sometimes i just DD 100% of my manapool to give our 40+ players more exp (shrooming at some points of the lifecycle of BG is not optimal).

Mass DDing do give loot from one mob, if you damage it enuff, but then you are low on power. And there is SO MANY MOBS.

Tree wrote:

barto22 wrote:That's great, and I don't disagree. What annoyed me is that a pair of animists can decide to control a whole BG just to benefit themselves. BGs are supposed to involve everybody. That's the whole point. If you weren't interested in the BG then why create it?

And thats where you are wrong.

A zerg is an open xp event, everyone can join and it offers equal opportunities for everybody. No player on this shard has an inherent advantage over somebody else, we all started at zero and have the potential to do the exact same things.
Now to take advantage of a zerg, you have to bring dmg or you wont get ****** out of it. That has been the case for the last 15 years so it shouldnt be news to anybody.
If you fail to do so, its your fault and not the fault of other players that did it right and refuse to PL you out of the kindness of their heart.

Look maybe you genuinely believe in self-sacrifice, communism and charity. Maybe it gives you the greatest joy just to help out anybody else before you think of yourself, but thats your thing. Dont demand it from anybody else.

You created a BG which you wanted something from. A zerg of people turning up to gain for themselves is fine, but by creating a BG - not a zerg - your intentions become clear.

Anyway, I also have a list of people that I can see straight through. I'm a good judge of character too, not that that means I don't give people a fair shot or multiple second chances because I do. I can just see when people are trying to take advantage I don't agree with it.

So carry on, you do what you have to do to survive.


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barto22 wrote:You created a BG which you wanted something from. A zerg of people turning up to gain for themselves is fine, but by creating a BG - not a zerg - your intentions become clear.

Anyway, I also have a list of people that I can see straight through. I'm a good judge of character too, not that that means I don't give people a fair shot or multiple second chances because I do. I can just see when people are trying to take advantage I don't agree with it.

So carry on, you do what you have to do to survive.

When I first started the whole SC affair its true I created a BG for people to organize and talk to each other, but frankly only because after 14 years I didnt remember it had automatic gold sharing entailed. So on the same evening I shut down the BG and created a chatgroup instead. Ive been a vocal opposer of using a BG for zerg ever since.
That aside BG is just a chatgroup with some extra loot options for raids. Its a tool and I fail to see any moral code attached to it. Since I am a very good judge of character too, I am pretty sure we wont become friends.

Down with the animist infestations!!

A BG isn't a chatgroup. You create a BG the same as you would a normal group or party.

Anyway. This, ladies and gentlemen, is why realm pride will never be a thing and why you will never be able to force a community to be built on its own. Shameful.


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barto22 wrote:A BG isn't a chatgroup. You create a BG the same as you would a normal group or party.

Thats your personal opinion, but again its nothing more than an opinion.

barto22 wrote:Anyway. This, ladies and gentlemen, is why realm pride will never be a thing and why you will never be able to force a community to be built on its own. Shameful.

If you cant have realm pride and wont contribute in meaningful ways, because other players dont meet your expectations all the way, thats entirely on you. And thank god Uthgard is not a shard where one player can force anything on another.

Well apart from the server rule concerning camp sharing, its not livelike and creates a toxic environment. It has to go.