I feel you Bub. Same problem with ours alliance. I've just recently proposed multi ally channel (offgame) should be introduced so we can communicate and organise, but response was "ppl who done this in the past, will not play daoc again"... This is very underwhelming. But we will just not be able to compete with random times, and that kind of tool is very much required.
Ill bring this topic again in the next few days with ally leaders, either reaper/falken, lazaren and rest and try to push it thru.
GM / Officers invites only, so we can setup and arrange in advance on the lowkey and strike.

Bubbler wrote:TLDR; What needs to happen to get Hibernia to work together as a realm and not just flame each other over 8v8 performance?

Short answer: Zerg leadership.

If you build a guld zerg on a regular basis, define yourselves some goals - like capture the entire Mid FZ. That will give you something to work towards and keep people motivated. Doesn't matter if you end up just defending one keep all night. Also, get a few guilds from your alliance to join - gotta have critical mass to get things done and not be wiped by a single 8man.

Keep doing that for several weeks, even if it seems slow and unrewarding in the beginning,and it will eventually become a thing. And the more casual players will enjoy in, I am sure. Of course, you will also need something similar to happen in the other realms, but if you push them enough, I am sure the will push back eventually.

From my perspective in a large alliance, people are more interested in running fix 8man's than defending the realm. People will only grp with a handful of known and trusted peoples and not really accept randoms in the grps.

It is quite sad to be honest, as a "nobody" coming back to the game it is actually quite difficult to get into fins grps where spots are trusted by the same people day after day prefering to grp people fron their guilds or to get into any rvr groups where people will prefer to stay at tp to fill that last slot with the perfect class.

It has always been the problem with daoc for me, the "left out" feeling.

Getting into groups takes some dedication - the game is old, a lot of people that still play have their circle of friends they know and play with.

Best bet for you is to join a "casual" guild that is active in RvR and work your way up from there (i.e. join PUGs, be noticed as a decent player). You can then either helpto establish a "core" RvR group in your guild, or use it as a platform to connect with the RvR community to recruit (or join) them.

Well, the first (templated) 50s most likely reached them fast through their organised 8 mans and they are for the greater part naturally also into the 8 man stuff, since they have the time and infrastructure which is needed for such a commitment.
Casual players, who would be the primary target group for zerging, are more or less reaching 50 right now (speaking of myself) and farming money for their temps. But only if they did not dally to much with twinks, which seems a real thing in hib.
Thars why I also estimate that in 1-2 weeks we can get a higher number of players interested for these objectives

We are behind in levelling our melee groups, and other 50s.

Its simple as that.

Animist nerf is not helping, either.

Also every Animist is rolling a RvR character AFTER they reach 50 with Animist and get professions in good order.

---> all this takes time

==> Hib side has always been a bit more lucrative on the gold side, but somehow in every server the main population is slower to exp.

Aryl wrote:It is quite sad to be honest, as a "nobody" coming back to the game it is actually quite difficult to get into fins grps where spots are trusted by the same people day after day prefering to grp people fron their guilds

People who do this at fins group are just asshole, and everyone agrees to that

Most of the time the fins group is handled with a leader who is managing a waiting list... but the waiting time can be long...

Yeah well.

On one occasion I subscribed to the list at 10:00 in the morning for a slot at 13h00. Sent the list "manager" and the guy I was supposed to reimplace (both from the same guild), everything was fine so I keep playing.. 13h20 both are still there, I am still waiting, 13h50 I check again both have logged, no message, no warning, pouf disapeared.

I mean, maybe the grp has stoped, I am fine with it, a warning would be nice though....

I had a few more painful experiences with the fins grp, now i don't subscribe anymore and just go cullen or SH with tanks grps, no screwing around, no bullshit list where people take your spot just like that because they are friend with the list guy.

Well, I've been the list owner quite a few times because I don't mind managing it.

When I have to log off, I don't send everyone on the list to warn them that I log off, it's pointless and it would be a huge hassle since I log off due to the weariness and I'm already managing many sends and trying to get my rep on time, etc....
There are easily around 20 peoples on the list when I leave, and I have to clean it before giving it away

I just give the list to someone in the group, and he will send the one in it when he needs replacement


So, i'm not saying they didn't screw you over, and I'm not saying that nobody is ever lost in the list management, but, for starter, you don't really ask for a slot at a given time (you can arrange with your predecessor in the group if you are next in line), and then, yeah, sometimes the group just blow up, got that one time


Listing at fins is always a bit of a lottery, you should not count too much on it and always do something else in the meantime ^^

Drunkstain wrote:I was that guy that "only wanted to 8v8".

As I stated to you, I would stay until you found a replacement (group wasnt even full yet so we werent moving anyway).

As a person who literally hates zerg v zerg warfare and finds it extremely boring I can only take so much of it. I took a few keeps that day or tried to. After a while of it though I just wanted to do something I find enjoyable which is group vs group or small group action.

I dont think it means theres no realm pride, its just not something I want to do all the time ya know?

Had no idea that would cause someone to "log in disgust", hopefully we can avoid that in the future <3.

Well Drunkstain, this was never about you specifically, so if you got that idea from this post I apologize. I apologize for just "logging in disgust" as I put it. Had nothing to do with you specifically, just frustrated at the lack of wanting to intercept relic/go for realm objective that I see from the realm as a whole, not a specific person or group.

Says nothing about you, more about my lack of leadership skill and inability to deal with stress. Hopefully, you can give me a one off for Friday and we can group again in the future. It's something I am surely working on.

Well it is nice to see so many folks posting on this thread. Definitely multiple reasons for the current state and glad I'm not the only one seeing it as well.

In terms of leveling, I really think we need to just keep working on keeping our frontier clear of enemies as much as possible. Perfect job for all of our 8v8 groups. Over the weekend, a rvr group I was in went to crim fins to clear out mids and to our surprise there was actually a group of Hibs there leveling. This is exactly what we need. Not to mention Crim Fins can handle 2 groups at the same time and doing a zerg xp with both groups actually gives good xp. If we can keep this camp and also luri's and manslayers open for our realm mates, i think we can get more folks to 50 quicker without having to sit on lists for fins or trying to find a spot in bog.

Not to mention that there are a bunch of camps in alb/mid that folks can use to lvl to 50 as well. Alb would probably be better since a lot of them are hidden and harder to get too but the more ~40's groups we can get getting xp, the better and having access to frontier camps as well as dungeons will really help get a lot of the folks that are trying for 50 to get 50 quicker.

The other issue is definitely communication between different alliances and guilds that are not allied. This is definitely more for the leadership to handle but the more cross communication we have going, the more folks we can call up for realm objectives, which we definitely need.

I would like to give a shout out to the folks that took our STR RELIC back this morning! I know some BF were involved, not sure who else or who was leading since I was sleeping but absolutely GOOD DAMN JOB! AWESOME! This is the kinda work we need to continue to put in to push the albs/mids back. Really great job!

Realm Pride ^^

pretty much the only guilds for hib that are lv 50 and geared are the 8Man guilds.
few of those guilds are willing to help support the realm, but they came here play DAoC there way.
for the other 8man guilds if we always yell at them, they will never support the realm and only themselves.

Yes i wish our 8man guilds would help more but thats not the main problem... Hib biggest problem is lack of Communication, lack of leadership. Once you start getting more and more people together with the same mind set it becomes easier.

As for MK a few of my guildies that are geared and ready to go. They are getting upset with the hib problem being overwhelmed everywhere they go. getting out matched, out classed everyday starts to wear on you. They've been lv 50 for over a week now, but 95% of the guild are still in there lower to mid 40s, and cant help.

Even i am only lv 47 but Real life takes #1.

Those are the problems with Hib. LV/Comm/Leadership.

If we don't have the Comm= Dead.
If we don't have the people = Dead.
If we don't have the Leadership= Dead.

But with all of that, we need to Communicate first. Set something up! either a Alliance that works wonders together or a Forum for all of Hib that's willing to support the realm. And yes if it is a Alliance or people want something good out of it. They need to sign up and agree.

Here is a start. Lets start Communicating: viewtopic.php?f=62&t=41509

I Am one of the Leaders of Mystical Knights. A family friendly guild, thats end goal is to help support our realm.
Most of us are Old....er, but willing. :+)

Salidor

People are still leveling... Do a /who followed by a /who 50 and you'll see 85-90% of online hibs aren't 50.

Only a small minority of people can rack up 10 days played in a month lol

We started a couple weeks late but my own group is only 39-42. Would all be higher if for example our BMs brother could log him in on his computer and stick us when he's in class or working while we group level but we can't because arbitrary reasons that don't affect rvr. So it's an endless struggle of schedules not lining and constantly catching people up while others fall behind rather than just leveling evenly and efficiently.

Yes, we are still levleing. We have been getting DF a lot more and relics. Just have patience.

Cinnah wrote:Yes, we are still levleing. We have been getting DF a lot more and relics. Just have patience.

^^^^ Hib is always the last ones to catch up... we have had DF for 24+ hours now and just recently got our relic back from the easy mode zerg realm that was weeks ahead of us, pretty good stuff