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Postby Kaosfury » Feb 11, 2017 00:00

Yep they made it very clear the here we go five pages of complaining about streaming, or five pages to complain about my post. Either way

/shrug

Cowwoc you need a waaaabulance dude? Blubber blubber

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Postby Rollanz » Feb 11, 2017 01:02

Long long ago, on a server far far away... well when DAOC was new, as I recall it was configured to automatically prevent one realm from dominating due to overpopulation. If the realm most populated had too many more than the least, simply nobody could create any more accounts on that realm (i.e. if Midgard had some many more people playing than say.. Hibernia(???) then nobody else could add accounts to Midgard until Hibernia caught up a bit. I'm assuming that by the way this was not even mentioned as a way to show that they are kinda balanced.. that its not happening with Uthgard?
I'm not questioning your statement that they are not as unbalanced as you feel we think... I am questioning how unbalanced you feel we think, if that makes any sense. Can you give percentages or numbers?

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Postby Kaosfury » Feb 11, 2017 02:08

Lol

What i remember when daoc started making stupid changes to keep the cry baby player base throwing money at daoc, one of the whiney things brought up was possible imbalance.

So after much strongarming the player base got mythic to add a bonus to the under populated realm...

Then we got realm hopping and that was WAY more destructive to the games balance then 500 players.

You had people who had no realm pride, or appreciation for the game, who cared soley for them selves and there amusement, would follow the bonus around, and suddenly you have a inflated view on the realm. One day hib was busseling, next day, ghost down.

Realm hoppers.

So no bonus is needed. They stated they are watching it, let them do there thing. Quit asking for explinations of explanations of explination.

Because they said so.

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Postby Koleriker » Feb 11, 2017 03:40

Rollanz wrote:...

Realms are not that unbalanced as thishin already said
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IRC: 09.01.2013(15:16:36) Dotto: we zerg if other realm zerg in rvr,, we never start zerg thats all!

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Postby Chimosh » Feb 11, 2017 03:46

Great job guys!

Love it!

It seems like some peoples jobs IRL are to be professional whingers, just by their behaviors in this forum.
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Postby daonest » Feb 11, 2017 11:22

Hey Trishin, good idea about the streaming. I actually was thinking about this weeks ago... Knowing streaming my group in RvR is just helping them find us so I actually thought of adding the delay. Im glad we can keep streaming though, I thought you might of said something about we couldnt due to licensing etc..
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Postby dabri0n » Feb 11, 2017 13:30

Yay Dragons.. Get reckt streaming pos! and snitches get stitches..

I believe you are talking numbers when talk about balance. Would you mind disclosing the numbers?
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Postby Kaosfury » Feb 11, 2017 15:51

Evinac wrote:I know this is mostly a "hooray dragons r up!" thread, but since rvr balance was brought up, are we ever going to hear anything about the last relic that changed hands? I get that any disciplinary actions will not be revealed, but would like to know if picking up the relic from the floor below is allowed and will not be punished in the future.

And i hate to even aknowledge the post... but @Kaosfury you opened df how many times exactly?


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Postby holsten-knight » Feb 11, 2017 17:59

don't want to be a party pooper, but dragons maybe way too weak? In midgard is was "dragon up", "dragon down" 20 sec later 8O

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Postby phixion » Feb 11, 2017 18:30

Anyone with a brain can see that Midgard is overpopulated, over-geared and way ahead of Alb and Hib right now.

I'm not sure how people playing Midgard are even sticking with it, the boredom must be crazy right now... nothing to kill but greys that are (stupidly) trying to level in the Frontiers.

From an underdogs perspective, I see this server going in a bad direction... we already have people camping right outside our Border Keeps and whilst this is a valid strategy, it also serves to push people away from the game.

Imagine being level 50 on Hib or Alb right now... what is there to do? You are max level with enough currency to buy your template, yet you can't because you need jewellery from DF. How long do you expect those players to stick around for? This isn't something that can be fixed by a single person alone, an entire realm needs to get together to change the status quo and I see no evidence of that happening.

By now, a portion of the population has very little patience remaining. Midgard completely dominate the server, as expected, and a bunch of bandwagon hoppers flock to Midgard because it holds the path of least resistance. In general it builds bad feeling because if we all took the easy route, end game would be terribly boring. Let's all roll Savages/Zerkers/Skalds/Shamans/Healers and run around with nothing to kill... sounds like fun!

Personally, I'm done with the game for the time being, I may check back in a few months when hopefully, all this one-sidedness has died down and I can easily buy seals in Housing - as it stands right now it is just an unnecessary struggle.

Devs appear to be blind to the unbalanced state of the current game, which is even more worrying than acknowledging the problem and trying to find a solution. Many players can see the problem, why are staff so oblivious to it? Are you choosing to ignore it or just truly not seeing the problem?

1.65 will always favour Midgard, nothing is going to change here.

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Postby Kaosfury » Feb 11, 2017 20:33

phixion wrote:Anyone with a brain can see that Midgard is overpopulated, over-geared and way ahead of Alb and Hib right now.

I'm not sure how people playing Midgard are even sticking with it, the boredom must be crazy right now... nothing to kill but greys that are (stupidly) trying to level in the Frontiers.

From an underdogs perspective, I see this server going in a bad direction... we already have people camping right outside our Border Keeps and whilst this is a valid strategy, it also serves to push people away from the game.

Imagine being level 50 on Hib or Alb right now... what is there to do? You are max level with enough currency to buy your template, yet you can't because you need jewellery from DF. How long do you expect those players to stick around for? This isn't something that can be fixed by a single person alone, an entire realm needs to get together to change the status quo and I see no evidence of that happening.

By now, a portion of the population has very little patience remaining. Midgard completely dominate the server, as expected, and a bunch of bandwagon hoppers flock to Midgard because it holds the path of least resistance. In general it builds bad feeling because if we all took the easy route, end game would be terribly boring. Let's all roll Savages/Zerkers/Skalds/Shamans/Healers and run around with nothing to kill... sounds like fun!

Personally, I'm done with the game for the time being, I may check back in a few months when hopefully, all this one-sidedness has died down and I can easily buy seals in Housing - as it stands right now it is just an unnecessary struggle.

Devs appear to be blind to the unbalanced state of the current game, which is even more worrying than acknowledging the problem and trying to find a solution. Many players can see the problem, why are staff so oblivious to it? Are you choosing to ignore it or just truly not seeing the problem?

1.65 will always favour Midgard, nothing is going to change here.

All i heard was.

"Games too hard bro"

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Postby phixion » Feb 11, 2017 20:54

Kaosfury wrote:All i heard was.

"Games too hard bro"

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Then you fail at reading.

Why do you take it upon yourself to defend the servers policies to the nth degree? How about some constructive posts rather than the usual name-calling you resort to?

I'm willing to listen and debate any constructive criticism you may have regarding my post; Where am I wrong? Why am I wrong? Why do I (and others) see it so differently to you? What do you agree/disagree with about my post? Throw me a bone here, you're like an illiterate caveman.

You will never get that GM position with the way you talk to people on here, so stop the brown nosing the devs and think before you post.

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Postby Time » Feb 11, 2017 22:05

Don't worry Unnamed Hibs/Stealthers. My guild has opened DF about 90% of the time for Hibs on this server, as well as try to defend keeps etc. But we won't be doing that anymore. We are going into PvE mode for a while so that you might take over and lead Hib like Lord Griffon. Once you do, you'll start to realize that the 3fg Hibs we can muster up pale in comparison to the random 6+ fg Mids that will show up wherever you go.

Also, DF is the only place to go for acceptable Template items. All of the other zones that dropped any loot were neutered at the end of Beta.

- The population number between hib/mid/alb is not as imbalanced as you might think.
^^ Except the fact that almost any given time /server or /who has hundreds more on Mid and Alb. For instance right now at 3621 players online, 1032 are hib. Breaking it down evenly, there are 300 more mids and 300 more albs then hibs. Good luck getting anything done. No matter how skilled, sheer numbers will win the day.

But anywho, end /rant or /complaint or w/e yall wanna call it. But get 50 on a non stealthier and then go try to RvR, you'll change your story pretty quick.

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Postby Njor » Feb 12, 2017 01:27

Time wrote:Don't worry Unnamed Hibs/Stealthers. My guild has opened DF about 90% of the time for Hibs on this server, as well as try to defend keeps etc. But we won't be doing that anymore. We are going into PvE mode for a while so that you might take over and lead Hib like Lord Griffon. Once you do, you'll start to realize that the 3fg Hibs we can muster up pale in comparison to the random 6+ fg Mids that will show up wherever you go.

Also, DF is the only place to go for acceptable Template items. All of the other zones that dropped any loot were neutered at the end of Beta.

- The population number between hib/mid/alb is not as imbalanced as you might think.
^^ Except the fact that almost any given time /server or /who has hundreds more on Mid and Alb. For instance right now at 3621 players online, 1032 are hib. Breaking it down evenly, there are 300 more mids and 300 more albs then hibs. Good luck getting anything done. No matter how skilled, sheer numbers will win the day.

But anywho, end /rant or /complaint or w/e yall wanna call it. But get 50 on a non stealthier and then go try to RvR, you'll change your story pretty quick.


so how do sheer numbers do anything for your RvR prowess when you are talking about 3-6 fg's in the frontiers ... any realm by now has way more than 50 50's ... so setting up a considerable force in each realm is possible
your only problem is that you are chicken to leave the save homeland before you are 'templated' to the optimum ... thats called minmaxing and is absolute nonsense if you are not trying to do the 8vs8 thing and be the most roxxor 8man in all realms ... in all matters RvR (which is not 8vs8) not fully templated 50's are perfectly fine

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Postby phixion » Feb 12, 2017 02:01

Njor wrote:so how do sheer numbers do anything for your RvR prowess when you are talking about 3-6 fg's in the frontiers ... any realm by now has way more than 50 50's ... so setting up a considerable force in each realm is possible
your only problem is that you are chicken to leave the save homeland before you are 'templated' to the optimum ... thats called minmaxing and is absolute nonsense if you are not trying to do the 8vs8 thing and be the most roxxor 8man in all realms ... in all matters RvR (which is not 8vs8) not fully templated 50's are perfectly fine

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I know it's hard to believe, but the majority of people are still in grey gear, with grey jewellery. If you're lucky, Epic armor with grey jewellery, either way - not fun.

You may think it's "chicken" that people don't want to walk in to certain death, I call it smart. Mids have already been fed enough easy realm points, we've seen how much fun it is being 2 shot by Savages and Zerkers, why the hell would we want to do it again?

This is the issue now, people need their templates and the only way to get it is to fight vs. a bigger, better kitted out enemy - again, not fun.

Not hard to see where the catch 22 is.

If you're really that bored and have no one to kill, I welcome you to reroll to a less populated realm and venture out in to RvR, I give it a couple of hours tops before you decide it's not worth your time and you become a "chicken".

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