Just wanted to let you guys know, that despite keeps not giving an instant RP reward, they are still important to all of our success in RvR. Keeps help by giving an increase in; Realm Point gain, Bounty Point gain, and Damage done in RvR depending on where it is on the frontier and if your guild has claimed it. I would highly encourage you all to glance at this post made by Trishin which does a very nice job of laying it all out for us.

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If you plan to RvR, it would benefit you to at least retake keeps in our own frontiers as enemy realms gain a somewhat significant damage bonus, and even moreso if you decide to fight in/around a keep they may have claimed.

These are implemented, and do stack on top of relics. Between relics and a handful of keeps the % to all damage in RvR can get pretty significant, and compounded if they actually show up to defend.

You can type /bonuses in game and see just how much of a benefit you currently get from owning frontier keeps (your guild claiming a keep will increase this #).

I'm pretty sure people aren't ready to RvR yet. People are working on leveling up their alts, getting their crafts up and waiting on respec stones to be implemented to move from pve to rvr specs. It will probably be a couple more months before you see a large number in Rvr depending on when the dragon gets fixed.

We definitely need more folks out there taking keeps. A lot of people are still working on lvling, lvling alts and working on temps but wont be able to complete everythign without DF. Not to mention, that one of the best 40-50 camps (Crim Fins) is never ours because our realm prefers to sit in safe areas.

Sure Mids have an advantage but we really should be prioritizing keeping our keeps and our frontier camps open for our realmmates to use. There will always be instances of getting zerged or jumped while xping in the frontier. however the only reason that we don't keep these keeps is once we die, we don't go back. Mids just keep coming back and end up with the spots.

Definitely need more multiple groups heading out and taking out mids/albs that are in our camps. Even if it means sending tells to other guilds in the realm to see if they will run rvr groups to protect groups wanting to xp @ crim fins, leps or where ever in frontiers. Will help our current RvR teams to get some rps and our low lvls to get some xp.

Zansobar wrote:I'm pretty sure people aren't ready to RvR yet. People are working on leveling up their alts, getting their crafts up and waiting on respec stones to be implemented to move from pve to rvr specs. It will probably be a couple more months before you see a large number in Rvr depending on when the dragon gets fixed.

Im confused. If people are leveling Alts it means their Mains are 50. So why not just RvR on those characters?

Wishbone wrote:

Zansobar wrote:I'm pretty sure people aren't ready to RvR yet. People are working on leveling up their alts, getting their crafts up and waiting on respec stones to be implemented to move from pve to rvr specs. It will probably be a couple more months before you see a large number in Rvr depending on when the dragon gets fixed.

Im confused. If people are leveling Alts it means their Mains are 50. So why not just RvR on those characters?

Because they expected to have Respec stones available, and have to relevel new characters that are viably specced.

Wishbone wrote:

Zansobar wrote:I'm pretty sure people aren't ready to RvR yet. People are working on leveling up their alts, getting their crafts up and waiting on respec stones to be implemented to move from pve to rvr specs. It will probably be a couple more months before you see a large number in Rvr depending on when the dragon gets fixed.

Im confused. If people are leveling Alts it means their Mains are 50. So why not just RvR on those characters?

Yes, let me just go right out to RvR on my 50 who has 0% slash resist on a scale-wearing (slash-weak) class vs Mid tank groups (which are primarily slash damage)... Been trying to farm for my template, but 99q scale prices are out of control. And before you say "Level your own AC" I have. It's 800 and the cost to get from 800-1000 is astronomical. That's not even counting the full OC Spellcrafting those pieces need. I made 1.7p over three days at Warden killing speed (200g of that was from someone who slung me coin to rez them in CM).

It's not quite as simple as "Go out and RvR" when you're immediately at a disadvantage or have to actively avoid engagements with really bored, full-templated Mids.

Rynzer wrote:

Wishbone wrote:

Zansobar wrote:I'm pretty sure people aren't ready to RvR yet. People are working on leveling up their alts, getting their crafts up and waiting on respec stones to be implemented to move from pve to rvr specs. It will probably be a couple more months before you see a large number in Rvr depending on when the dragon gets fixed.

Im confused. If people are leveling Alts it means their Mains are 50. So why not just RvR on those characters?

Yes, let me just go right out to RvR on my 50 who has 0% slash resist on a scale-wearing (slash-weak) class vs Mid tank groups (which are primarily slash damage)... Been trying to farm for my template, but 99q scale prices are out of control. And before you say "Level your own AC" I have. It's 800 and the cost to get from 800-1000 is astronomical. That's not even counting the full OC Spellcrafting those pieces need. I made 1.7p over three days at Warden killing speed (200g of that was from someone who slung me coin to rez them in CM).

It's not quite as simple as "Go out and RvR" when you're immediately at a disadvantage or have to actively avoid engagements with really bored, full-templated Mids.

I definitely get the concern. However I also feel that this would be when you would talk to some of the higher lvl guilds to see if they can help, irrelevant if their in your alliance or not. If your looking to take keeps or xp, reach out to other high end guilds to see if they would be willing to send a group or two out to help take keeps or to protect an xp group or groups that are heading out.

Especially if we can field multiple groups, then the risk will be a little less. Overall though, if we keep letting alb/mid take keeps then we'll still be at a great disadvantage when you and everyone else gets your respecs and temps. Better to push back sooner to attempt to lessen their advantage, no?

The BOG BG are largly to blame...before they become so popular (leeching), people were actually taking keeps and open DF. Lately, not much of them.

All they care about are leeching in Bog like zombies. And once they hit 50, they don't even do RvR. They create Animist alts to farm money. It's a cancer and it's ruined the realm.

I have seen hib keepraid events every day in the last few days. All of them were 4+ FG's. All of them took 1 keep if that, then got rolled by mid zerg.

Rynzer wrote:

Wishbone wrote:

Zansobar wrote:I'm pretty sure people aren't ready to RvR yet. People are working on leveling up their alts, getting their crafts up and waiting on respec stones to be implemented to move from pve to rvr specs. It will probably be a couple more months before you see a large number in Rvr depending on when the dragon gets fixed.

Im confused. If people are leveling Alts it means their Mains are 50. So why not just RvR on those characters?

Yes, let me just go right out to RvR on my 50 who has 0% slash resist on a scale-wearing (slash-weak) class vs Mid tank groups (which are primarily slash damage)... Been trying to farm for my template, but 99q scale prices are out of control. And before you say "Level your own AC" I have. It's 800 and the cost to get from 800-1000 is astronomical. That's not even counting the full OC Spellcrafting those pieces need. I made 1.7p over three days at Warden killing speed (200g of that was from someone who slung me coin to rez them in CM).

It's not quite as simple as "Go out and RvR" when you're immediately at a disadvantage or have to actively avoid engagements with really bored, full-templated Mids.

Sounds like a personal problem

Enkrates wrote:The BOG BG are largly to blame...before they become so popular (leeching), people were actually taking keeps and open DF. Lately, not much of them.

All they care about are leeching in Bog like zombies. And once they hit 50, they don't even do RvR. They create Animist alts to farm money. It's a cancer and it's ruined the realm.

Just a freaking out lie. It´s ruined the realm to have no respec stones, to cut off Hibernias primary farming class and just join PP-Groups. One day i had send a Champion, if he want to join our "Oldschool" Tank-XP group. He send back, sorry i just want to join PP Groups. That are the real Problems for our realm and in no case the Animists which make money to equip their Chars to make them ready for rvr!

Roxxor wrote:

Enkrates wrote:The BOG BG are largly to blame...before they become so popular (leeching), people were actually taking keeps and open DF. Lately, not much of them.

All they care about are leeching in Bog like zombies. And once they hit 50, they don't even do RvR. They create Animist alts to farm money. It's a cancer and it's ruined the realm.

Just a freaking out lie. It´s ruined the realm to have no respec stones, to cut off Hibernias primary farming class and just join PP-Groups. One day i had send a Champion, if he want to join our "Oldschool" Tank-XP group. He send back, sorry i just want to join PP Groups. That are the real Problems for our realm and in no case the Animists which make money to equip their Chars to make them ready for rvr!

Does PP Group = focus pulling grp? If so, the champ is the problem in that scenario.

Wishbone wrote:

Zansobar wrote:I'm pretty sure people aren't ready to RvR yet. People are working on leveling up their alts, getting their crafts up and waiting on respec stones to be implemented to move from pve to rvr specs. It will probably be a couple more months before you see a large number in Rvr depending on when the dragon gets fixed.

Im confused. If people are leveling Alts it means their Mains are 50. So why not just RvR on those characters?

People's first chars are usually their farming character or their PL trade class not the one they plan to play in RVR. This game takes in game money so its best to get that done up front.

Zansobar wrote:

Wishbone wrote:

Zansobar wrote:I'm pretty sure people aren't ready to RvR yet. People are working on leveling up their alts, getting their crafts up and waiting on respec stones to be implemented to move from pve to rvr specs. It will probably be a couple more months before you see a large number in Rvr depending on when the dragon gets fixed.

Im confused. If people are leveling Alts it means their Mains are 50. So why not just RvR on those characters?

People's first chars are usually their farming character or their PL trade class not the one they plan to play in RVR. This game takes in game money so its best to get that done up front.

Funny I dont recall any Mids doing this. What Template items could even possibly be soloable?

Wishbone wrote:Funny I dont recall any Mids doing this. What Template items could even possibly be soloable?

The ones that are crafted and SCd?