Evinac wrote:All my fond memories from BG's are all from this version. Don't recall much after the NF changes and all the /level nonsense - just seeing fresh 20's in thid with their crappy 70% qual free gear was pretty sad.

Pretty much nobody is stepping foot in bg's with their 1st or 2nd chars in the first 2 months, that's just the way it is. It was much easier to take a trip to enemy border keep in order to get MCL then try to find ppl in bg's - that will not be the case shortly. But bg's as they are will be populated if this server is successful and we're still battling the queue boss 6 months from now.

Evinac wrote:I mean... there's lvl 50 templated mids running around that just took both relics from alb last nite and i was supposed to stick around in thid after our grp pve'ed the empty ck? Big boys rvr will always be the priority for most ppl, especially on a free private server and, even more especially, in the first few months after launch.

BG's will be fine, and if not, no big deal.

In my distant experience, action in bg's really picked up due to word of mouth at random points - alliance chat or /b spam in capital that "realm X got enough ppl to try for ck, plenty of action, log ur thid toons" or something similar.

And I didn't mean to imply that all the /level and free gear stuff all happened with NF, just that it started going downhill once they started messing with the formula, albeit with good intentions behind the changes, like /level to try and help population issues.

At the end of the day, it all comes down to population. If, like i mentioned, we're still dealing with any kind of queue 6 months from now, there will be ppl in bg's, imo.

Evinac wrote:Honestly, wall of text & tl:dr, but this is a dead horse of a topic i don't mind smacking one more time.

Here's why I'm for bg's and port pads staying the way the are: consequences.

Dying should matter. You should have a 2nd thought about leaving ur PK solo. If you forgot to bind at the border keep and r now on a 10minute horse ride from the other end of the realm - this one time, ideally, should be the last time you forget to bind. Same for neck checks.

If i'm with 30 ppl trying to take CK and we wipe 10+ defenders trying to get in, the same defenders should not be back b4 i have a chance to regen some mana or b4 the door is damaged even 50%. Consequences bring things like strategy and tactics back to this great niche game of ours. Those same 10 defenders would be much better off roaming between ck and our PK to pick off stragglers and wait for doors to be down to rush he attackers while they're trying to kill the lord/deal with guards - or come up with a better tactic than trying to rush the gate to maybe make it inside or get a rez from the wall - just so they can hopefully be at full hp and lose rez sick by the time doors r down.

I guess it all boils down to risk vs reward. Fighting the same prepared grp twice in 30mins is, imo, more rewarding than fighting 8 somewhat organized ppl 5 times in the same 30 mins when they just flood out of pk's like sheep.

And i dunno if ppl just forgot how bg's were after NF, but i sure as hell got tired of getting no rp's for a lot of kills because the person has been killed recently and is worth no rp's.

krycek wrote:

Evinac wrote:Honestly, wall of text & tl:dr, but this is a dead horse of a topic i don't mind smacking one more time.

Here's why I'm for bg's and port pads staying the way the are: consequences.

Dying should matter. You should have a 2nd thought about leaving ur PK solo. If you forgot to bind at the border keep and r now on a 10minute horse ride from the other end of the realm - this one time, ideally, should be the last time you forget to bind. Same for neck checks.

If i'm with 30 ppl trying to take CK and we wipe 10+ defenders trying to get in, the same defenders should not be back b4 i have a chance to regen some mana or b4 the door is damaged even 50%. Consequences bring things like strategy and tactics back to this great niche game of ours. Those same 10 defenders would be much better off roaming between ck and our PK to pick off stragglers and wait for doors to be down to rush he attackers while they're trying to kill the lord/deal with guards - or come up with a better tactic than trying to rush the gate to maybe make it inside or get a rez from the wall - just so they can hopefully be at full hp and lose rez sick by the time doors r down.

I guess it all boils down to risk vs reward. Fighting the same prepared grp twice in 30mins is, imo, more rewarding than fighting 8 somewhat organized ppl 5 times in the same 30 mins when they just flood out of pk's like sheep.

And i dunno if ppl just forgot how bg's were after NF, but i sure as hell got tired of getting no rp's for a lot of kills because the person has been killed recently and is worth no rp's.

So you're complaining about having to fight ppl more often in a pvp game? They interupting your pvkeep? I don't get it, whats wrong with non-stop rvr in the midst of this god awful xp grind? Wouldn't farming those 10 ppl with your 30 be better than 1 keep take? Just leave the doors open and let them keep coming back even if you do get a few no rp kills cuz they dumb and run in with sickness, that ****** is fun as hell.

Evinac wrote:

krycek wrote:

Evinac wrote:Honestly, wall of text & tl:dr, but this is a dead horse of a topic i don't mind smacking one more time.

Here's why I'm for bg's and port pads staying the way the are: consequences.

Dying should matter. You should have a 2nd thought about leaving ur PK solo. If you forgot to bind at the border keep and r now on a 10minute horse ride from the other end of the realm - this one time, ideally, should be the last time you forget to bind. Same for neck checks.

If i'm with 30 ppl trying to take CK and we wipe 10+ defenders trying to get in, the same defenders should not be back b4 i have a chance to regen some mana or b4 the door is damaged even 50%. Consequences bring things like strategy and tactics back to this great niche game of ours. Those same 10 defenders would be much better off roaming between ck and our PK to pick off stragglers and wait for doors to be down to rush he attackers while they're trying to kill the lord/deal with guards - or come up with a better tactic than trying to rush the gate to maybe make it inside or get a rez from the wall - just so they can hopefully be at full hp and lose rez sick by the time doors r down.

I guess it all boils down to risk vs reward. Fighting the same prepared grp twice in 30mins is, imo, more rewarding than fighting 8 somewhat organized ppl 5 times in the same 30 mins when they just flood out of pk's like sheep.

And i dunno if ppl just forgot how bg's were after NF, but i sure as hell got tired of getting no rp's for a lot of kills because the person has been killed recently and is worth no rp's.

So you're complaining about having to fight ppl more often in a pvp game? They interupting your pvkeep? I don't get it, whats wrong with non-stop rvr in the midst of this god awful xp grind? Wouldn't farming those 10 ppl with your 30 be better than 1 keep take? Just leave the doors open and let them keep coming back even if you do get a few no rp kills cuz they dumb and run in with sickness, that ****** is fun as hell.

Not sure which part you interpreted as complaining. OP asked for a constructive conversation and i provided my opinion - you seem to be lacking the constructive part.

What you call "non-stop rvr" is not rvr (again, imo), it's WoW bg's where ppl mindless run out as soon as rez timer is up - call it pvp if you will. Plenty of games have pvp - call of duty, MOBA - i thought we're going for RvR here.

Most of your questions are actually answered in what you quoted - stuff about getting a chance to get some mana b4 defenders come back, mention of strategy and tactics... (you're aware of the mana regen rate at this patch level, correct?)

But hey, if at this point all you still want to do is zerg 10 ppl with 30, kill greys/greens/rez sick ppl, it's your call - i'm not gonna tell you how to play a video game. Sure it's fun every once in a while and ppl need MCL, but competitive fights are just so much more enjoyable - consequences get us to the competitive stuff.

Now, I'm not leaving this server if they do decide to allow to release within bg's, but i would prefer that that change isn't made.

t-bone wrote:longest post Ive seen in a while TLDR;

and Trish reks it in 6 words