oLd-Sneakers wrote:16 year old game guys.

The wheel has already been invented.


D, D, B, eld, chanter, BM, BM, and hero

D, D, B, eld, BM, BM, BM, and hero

D, D, B, eld, chanter, BM, BM, and Warden

D, D, B, eld, chanter, Menta, Hero and Bard


s/s bms ofcourse, mana ench light eld.

Setups work differently on different RRs and generally speaking the cookie cutter is the most effective once you got RRs and a non retard grp with good support.


/edit almost forgot:

D, D, B, tri eld, chanter, Anim and hero


3 druid grp is idiotic, doesnt work.

2 bard grps work

ani grp works

3 bm grp works

debuff caster grp with 3 tanks works

Yup you've obviously never seen the Stout or Group Purgatory videos if you think 3 druids dont work.

Zerkers have no charge with 1.65 , so running away as caster should be makeable.

Someone remember Killkeen ? He was the quickest caster ever , you never got him was funny on uthgard1.0 , i thought yeesss i got him , baaaang kelo slam

oLd-Sneakers wrote:16 year old game guys.

The wheel has already been invented.


D, D, B, eld, chanter, BM, BM, and hero

D, D, B, eld, BM, BM, BM, and hero

D, D, B, eld, chanter, BM, BM, and Warden

D, D, B, eld, chanter, Menta, Hero and Bard


s/s bms ofcourse, mana ench light eld.

Setups work differently on different RRs and generally speaking the cookie cutter is the most effective once you got RRs and a non retard grp with good support.


/edit almost forgot:

D, D, B, tri eld, chanter, Anim and hero


3 druid grp is idiotic, doesnt work.

2 bard grps work

ani grp works

3 bm grp works

debuff caster grp with 3 tanks works

Thanks for the response, lots of variety in there... I am sure a lot of it comes down to the people behind the character in the end and the type of fight you get.

i finally found the place where all the paralympics happen.

Can confirm, played 3 druid caster setup on genesis and I found that to be the best setup vs good mid tank grps ie group savegry

Zubasa2016 wrote:

oLd-Sneakers wrote:16 year old game guys.

The wheel has already been invented.


D, D, B, eld, chanter, BM, BM, and hero

D, D, B, eld, BM, BM, BM, and hero

D, D, B, eld, chanter, BM, BM, and Warden

D, D, B, eld, chanter, Menta, Hero and Bard


s/s bms ofcourse, mana ench light eld.

Setups work differently on different RRs and generally speaking the cookie cutter is the most effective once you got RRs and a non retard grp with good support.


/edit almost forgot:

D, D, B, tri eld, chanter, Anim and hero


3 druid grp is idiotic, doesnt work.

2 bard grps work

ani grp works

3 bm grp works

debuff caster grp with 3 tanks works

nailed it bro, 100% agree

I'm glad I'm not the only person talking some sense around here.

Top wrote:

barto22 wrote:No point in playing the 'if' game here

And yet that is what both of you are doing.

I provided videos and the who/when/where as evidence that I have played through the scenarios and setups in question. I have plenty more recorded on my hard drive if you want to see just how effectively eldritches are vs a mid tank group.

There are no "ifs" needed for me, because I've already done all of the above and know how it ends.

Have you? Saying you've "played a variety of setups" over the years means jack ******.

I went through your recent posts. You don't seem totally braindead but still I can see you don't understand daoc at a high level with the comments about Hero's spec. That's the same kind of lack of understanding of 1.65 daoc that I'd expect from someone who thinks a solo caster is a good Hib setup to fight a full mid tank group.

arguing with you seems pretty pointless to me. you say running a utility caster in a tank group is complete bullshit, i say its not. this could go back and forth for another hundred pages with the same result... im generally not a fan of full tankers unless its mid since youre kind of forced to run a ****** skald which just takes up a slot in a hybrid - but if i had to run one, id definitely run a utility caster, no matter how often you tell me its garbage.

i dont get why your argument becomes so much more valid because of posting videos compared to us saying we played exactly these setups though ...

Just make sure you guys end up on different realms to settle this like the true nerds we all are

falscheneun wrote:
arguing with you seems pretty pointless to me. you say running a utility caster in a tank group is complete bullshit, i say its not. this could go back and forth for another hundred pages with the same result... im generally not a fan of full tankers unless its mid since youre kind of forced to run a ****** skald which just takes up a slot in a hybrid - but if i had to run one, id definitely run a utility caster, no matter how often you tell me its garbage.

i dont get why your argument becomes so much more valid because of posting videos compared to us saying we played exactly these setups though ...

Yes, it is pointless if you have no valid experience from which to draw on.

Have you played the scenarios we're talking about on 1.65 in a group that was actually good? Yes/No?

If yes, tell me who because we'll know who you are. That's what I'm asking.

If you played some solo eld setup on toa or NF etc, THAT IS NOT THE SAME AS OLD FRONTIERS AND IS NOT RELEVANT.

The rest of your post is off in left field. This isn't really a hard concept.

A solo NS caster is fine vs groups that have casters. It is BAD vs full tank groups.

> you say running a utility caster in a tank group is complete bullshit

That's not what I said. I said running a solo hib caster VS a Full mid tank group = very very bad. You have to be clueless to think this is a good idea. That's what the OP asked about, what Hib setup to run vs Mid groups. The best mid group is 3x healer tank group so advising him to run a solo caster into that is one of the stupidest things you can possibly suggest.

> im generally not a fan of full tankers unless its mid since youre kind of forced to run a ****** skald

This is the other part where you show a lack of understanding on what's going to happen here.

Don't get me wrong, I'm fully in favor of the full mid tanker, but many euros favor running a solo RM.

Again same rules apply. A solo RM is fine vs other groups which have casters, but not good vs full tanker.

That's why Mids can run a solo RM and be successful, because they do not fight tank groups regularly.

Hibs don't have that luxury and will get punished hard for running a solo caster.

Since the beta started lots of live 1.65 heros joined back the forum
Needless to say all of them were playing in the best groups of that time

Top wrote:...

sigh... solo caster in a tankgroup is garbage, im utterly stupid and have zero knowledge compared to you about a video game, euro = crap. you win gg ez.

Top wrote:

falscheneun wrote:
arguing with you seems pretty pointless to me. you say running a utility caster in a tank group is complete bullshit, i say its not. this could go back and forth for another hundred pages with the same result... im generally not a fan of full tankers unless its mid since youre kind of forced to run a ****** skald which just takes up a slot in a hybrid - but if i had to run one, id definitely run a utility caster, no matter how often you tell me its garbage.

i dont get why your argument becomes so much more valid because of posting videos compared to us saying we played exactly these setups though ...

Yes, it is pointless if you have no valid experience from which to draw on.

Have you played the scenarios we're talking about on 1.65 in a group that was actually good? Yes/No?

If yes, tell me who because we'll know who you are. That's what I'm asking.

If you played some solo eld setup on toa or NF etc, THAT IS NOT THE SAME AS OLD FRONTIERS AND IS NOT RELEVANT.

The rest of your post is off in left field. This isn't really a hard concept.

A solo NS caster is fine vs groups that have casters. It is BAD vs full tank groups.

> you say running a utility caster in a tank group is complete bullshit

That's not what I said. I said running a solo hib caster VS a Full mid tank group = very very bad. You have to be clueless to think this is a good idea. That's what the OP asked about, what Hib setup to run vs Mid groups. The best mid group is 3x healer tank group so advising him to run a solo caster into that is one of the stupidest things you can possibly suggest.

> im generally not a fan of full tankers unless its mid since youre kind of forced to run a ****** skald

This is the other part where you show a lack of understanding on what's going to happen here.

Don't get me wrong, I'm fully in favor of the full mid tanker, but many euros favor running a solo RM.

Again same rules apply. A solo RM is fine vs other groups which have casters, but not good vs full tanker.

That's why Mids can run a solo RM and be successful, because they do not fight tank groups regularly.

Hibs don't have that luxury and will get punished hard for running a solo caster.

Just quit trying to help them, They'll figure it out on there own.

Correct me if i am wrong, but doesn't every mid tank group have casters in them? Even with out a runie they have 2-3 healers and shaman. Making it easier to overextend tanks with nearsight running a utility caster.

dblaha86 wrote:Correct me if i am wrong, but doesn't every mid tank group have casters in them? Even with out a runie they have 2-3 healers and shaman. Making it easier to overextend tanks with nearsight running a utility caster.

You have to stop to cast spells, which breaks your speed. If you get caught by any mid tank on this ruleset theres a 90% chance you die.

Rage~ wrote:

dblaha86 wrote:Correct me if i am wrong, but doesn't every mid tank group have casters in them? Even with out a runie they have 2-3 healers and shaman. Making it easier to overextend tanks with nearsight running a utility caster.

You have to stop to cast spells, which breaks your speed. If you get caught by any mid tank on this ruleset theres a 90% chance you die.

If I could physically slow clap in your face right now then I would. I'd have the ultimate smirk on too.


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