barto22 wrote:No point in playing the 'if' game here

And yet that is what both of you are doing.

I provided videos and the who/when/where as evidence that I have played through the scenarios and setups in question. I have plenty more recorded on my hard drive if you want to see just how effectively eldritches are vs a mid tank group.

There are no "ifs" needed for me, because I've already done all of the above and know how it ends.

Have you? Saying you've "played a variety of setups" over the years means jack ******.

I went through your recent posts. You don't seem totally braindead but still I can see you don't understand daoc at a high level with the comments about Hero's spec. That's the same kind of lack of understanding of 1.65 daoc that I'd expect from someone who thinks a solo caster is a good Hib setup to fight a full mid tank group.

barto22 wrote:

Top wrote:Also, solo caster vs caster groups in my opinion is harder than facing tank groups. You have to worry about nearsight from both realms, not to mention pets especially theurgist. It looks like you haven't actually played this setup at all. You've dismissed it before you can actually see how powerful it is.
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He told you videos to look up on youtube that he played in that run said setups...

Vlalkor wrote:Hero, champ, BM, BM, druid, druid , bard , eld


orrrr

Hero, champ, bm, druid , druid , bard, bard, eld.

gogo

Oh snap, you are liking champs at this patch level? Almost everybody I run into says "no det, no thanks" to the hybrid classes at this level.

Top wrote:

barto22 wrote:No point in playing the 'if' game here

And yet that is what both of you are doing.

I provided videos and the who/when/where as evidence that I have played through the scenarios and setups in question. I have plenty more recorded on my hard drive if you want to see just how effectively eldritches are vs a mid tank group.

There are no "ifs" needed for me, because I've already done all of the above and know how it ends.

Have you? Saying you've "played a variety of setups" over the years means jack ******.

I went through your recent posts. You don't seem totally braindead but still I can see you don't understand daoc at a high level with the comments about Hero's spec. That's the same kind of lack of understanding of 1.65 daoc that I'd expect from someone who thinks a solo caster is a good Hib setup to fight a full mid tank group.

So, you are playing mid at this patch level?

Top wrote:

barto22 wrote:No point in playing the 'if' game here

I have plenty more recorded on my hard drive if you want to see just how effectively eldritches are vs a mid tank group.

I would love to see footage if it is relevant to this patch level! This will be my first time running on hib @ 50 as 90% of previous experience was alb on 1.0.

Apologies for not running fraps over the years to prove my worth.

I didn't play too much of genesis after launch, didn't enjoy it. I played with Vanquish on Uth 1.0 and we formed Shaorann Ithir on genesis. That guild kept going without me and some others and I believe it turned very USA/NA.

I watched some of the vids you mentioned, found it hilarious watching a warden fail to land side snare over and over and over and got bored so i turned it off. What a wasted slot, just using taunt, didnt even have pbt turned on with your druid get f'd up...

barto22 wrote:Apologies for not running fraps over the years to prove my worth.

I didn't play too much of genesis after launch, didn't enjoy it. I played with Vanquish on Uth 1.0 and we formed Shaorann Ithir on genesis. That guild kept going without me and some others and I believe it turned very USA/NA.

I watched some of the vids you mentioned, found it hilarious watching a warden fail to land side snare over and over and over and got bored so i turned it off. What a wasted slot, just using taunt, didnt even have pbt turned on with your druid get f'd up...

Maybe you try playing (with) a warden first. I can tell you it is not as bad as it sounds on paper.
Stout was not that bad on Genesis. And the warden vid was not a bad one either.

Falken wrote:

Vlalkor wrote:Hero, champ, BM, BM, druid, druid , bard , eld


orrrr

Hero, champ, bm, druid , druid , bard, bard, eld.

gogo

Oh snap, you are liking champs at this patch level? Almost everybody I run into says "no det, no thanks" to the hybrid classes at this level.

Yeah, i like champs, the utility is way underrated IMO.... free rps always ran a champ, and they did very well. Especially on hib, 2 grp purge plus self purge... i think its the only realm that can argue greatly for non det tank in the group, although I love running a pala too on alb.

dabri0n wrote:Maybe you try playing (with) a warden first. I can tell you it is not as bad as it sounds on paper.
Stout was not that bad on Genesis. And the warden vid was not a bad one either.

True. It wasn't bad. I was just making a point that you can flame and say how good you are on the forum with your videos as proof and still make mistakes. My opinion was that was a wasted slot for me, even the 3 hero's was something. But I said in another reply, you can make all sorts of weird sh*t work if people know what they are doing. I just gave my opinion on what the OP asked for.

Looks like you are new

You are better off with 4 hero 4 BM because your crappy bards and druids will be shredded by savages first and you will lose your buffs.

You could drop a hero for a warden for bubble and get base buffs.

cheese01551 wrote:Looks like you are new

You are better off with 4 hero 4 BM because your crappy bards and druids will be shredded by savages first and you will lose your buffs.

You could drop a hero for a warden for bubble and get base buffs.

Interesting point of view, give up now because mids will crush everybody? Thanks for stopping by.

Check your private messages Falken

Rage~ wrote:Check your private messages Falken

Thanks, got the video links!

16 year old game guys.

The wheel has already been invented.


D, D, B, eld, chanter, BM, BM, and hero

D, D, B, eld, BM, BM, BM, and hero

D, D, B, eld, chanter, BM, BM, and Warden

D, D, B, eld, chanter, Menta, Hero and Bard


s/s bms ofcourse, mana ench light eld.

Setups work differently on different RRs and generally speaking the cookie cutter is the most effective once you got RRs and a non retard grp with good support.


/edit almost forgot:

D, D, B, tri eld, chanter, Anim and hero


3 druid grp is idiotic, doesnt work.

2 bard grps work

ani grp works

3 bm grp works

debuff caster grp with 3 tanks works

oLd-Sneakers wrote:16 year old game guys.

The wheel has already been invented.


D, D, B, eld, chanter, BM, BM, and hero

D, D, B, eld, BM, BM, BM, and hero

D, D, B, eld, chanter, BM, BM, and Warden

D, D, B, eld, chanter, Menta, Hero and Bard


s/s bms ofcourse, mana ench light eld.

Setups work differently on different RRs and generally speaking the cookie cutter is the most effective once you got RRs and a non retard grp with good support.


/edit almost forgot:

D, D, B, tri eld, chanter, Anim and hero


3 druid grp is idiotic, doesnt work.

2 bard grps work

ani grp works

3 bm grp works

debuff caster grp with 3 tanks works

nailed it bro, 100% agree