Seethoven wrote:Like I said anyone arguing in favour of this is obviously not going to the BGs.


I urge staff to take a look at this problem. There is no PVP until level 45-50 in the current set up, and it has only gotten worse. When new players (and old) see this it's very likely to turn them from the game rather than motivate them to grind more.

I have been planning to introduce this game to a couple of friends. Without any PvP to look forward too in a near future, it will be a hard sell.

Daoc shines in PvP, even in BG PvP....

carnalito wrote:

Seethoven wrote:Like I said anyone arguing in favour of this is obviously not going to the BGs.


I urge staff to take a look at this problem. There is no PVP until level 45-50 in the current set up, and it has only gotten worse. When new players (and old) see this it's very likely to turn them from the game rather than motivate them to grind more.

I have been planning to introduce this game to a couple of friends. Without any PvP to look forward too in a near future, it will be a hard sell.

Daoc shines in PvP, even in BG PvP....

yes, DAoC shines in PvP, BG and 'big RvR', later beta-stages will be aimed at finding problems in RvR/BG's... don't let these doomsaysers deter you from playing it ...
it is BETA, most people playing at the moment are focussing on playing multiple classes to lvl 20ish and/or do quests to find problems and get them fixed, not gallavant around in BG's ... the misguided and premature whining of some players focussing solely on their own limited view of this game should not keep you or your friends from enjoying it when it goes live

cheers

Honestly, this may be the best time to get to know the game, as you will have a lot of people running around at lower levels. Once the server goes live, I would expect that - without good knowledge of that is going on - it could be a bit frustrating for newcomers. What class do I want to play, where are the level spots, etc etc.

Even though PvP is a good selling point, at the current patch setting it will take a good while for your buddies to even get to that point. So have fun exploring the game a bit - if they like it, they will stick around until /instant 50 and release.

Unfortunately this server does not consider new players in my opinion. It's either a nostalgia-fest or bust. If you can't remember how rvr was at this patch level then unfortunately you won't know until you grind to 50 and find out.

There's always YouTube videos and whatnot but of course they don't really capture the full story.


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carnalito wrote:

Seethoven wrote:Like I said anyone arguing in favour of this is obviously not going to the BGs.


I urge staff to take a look at this problem. There is no PVP until level 45-50 in the current set up, and it has only gotten worse. When new players (and old) see this it's very likely to turn them from the game rather than motivate them to grind more.

I have been planning to introduce this game to a couple of friends. Without any PvP to look forward too in a near future, it will be a hard sell.

Daoc shines in PvP, even in BG PvP....

I suggest you wait until we introduce instant 50, then you can show them the goal of the long grind, which might make them want to endure it.

Trishin wrote:...

I suggest you wait until we introduce instant 50, then you can show them the goal of the long grind, which might make them want to endure it.

... a grind??? what grind?
its not a grind, enjoy the journey!

cheers

Trishin wrote:I suggest you wait until we introduce instant 50, then you can show them the goal of the long grind, which might make them want to endure it.

I'm not sure if the i50 zerg-fest will be reflecting "normal" RvR or PvP, but yes, it's an option.

Njor wrote:yes, DAoC shines in PvP, BG and 'big RvR', later beta-stages will be aimed at finding problems in RvR/BG's... don't let these doomsaysers deter you from playing it ...
it is BETA, most people playing at the moment are focussing on playing multiple classes to lvl 20ish and/or do quests to find problems and get them fixed, not gallavant around in BG's ... the misguided and premature whining of some players focussing solely on their own limited view of this game should not keep you or your friends from enjoying it when it goes live

cheers

You keep saying it's a BETA and most people are spending their time hunting bugs and so on. This is far from true, let me assure you. Most players are here to play the game.

You seem convinced BGs will be full of fighting and thrive when this thing goes live. With this current setting, I don't agree.

Give casters a gameshark code for mana regeneration but making bg a playable experience is too customf

carnalito wrote:

Trishin wrote:I suggest you wait until we introduce instant 50, then you can show them the goal of the long grind, which might make them want to endure it.

I'm not sure if the i50 zerg-fest will be reflecting "normal" RvR or PvP, but yes, it's an option.

normal PvP for Daoc IS a zerg fest. the basis of DaOC PvP is RvR not 8vs8

Njor wrote:yes, DAoC shines in PvP, BG and 'big RvR', later beta-stages will be aimed at finding problems in RvR/BG's... don't let these doomsaysers deter you from playing it ...
it is BETA, most people playing at the moment are focussing on playing multiple classes to lvl 20ish and/or do quests to find problems and get them fixed, not gallavant around in BG's ... the misguided and premature whining of some players focussing solely on their own limited view of this game should not keep you or your friends from enjoying it when it goes live

cheers

You keep saying it's a BETA and most people are spending their time hunting bugs and so on. This is far from true, let me assure you. Most players are here to play the game.

You seem convinced BGs will be full of fighting and thrive when this thing goes live. With this current setting, I don't agree.

BG's are always thriving particularly have a few months where people can level their mains, farmers etc and have BG toons

Jaysun wrote:BG's are always thriving particularly have a few months where people can level their mains, farmers etc and have BG toons

They won't be thriving, not with the combination of low server population and no /release at TK's.

Remove one of those, preferably both from the eqvation, and then we'll have thriving BGs.

But yes, we could have an population of 3k players on Uthgard at release, and with that kind of population, the BGs will probably be ok.

I'm just waiting until instant 50 before trying to pull some friends into the game. Probably better than in BG's because mass numbers warring is more awe inspiring anyway.

Jaysun wrote:

carnalito wrote:

Trishin wrote:I suggest you wait until we introduce instant 50, then you can show them the goal of the long grind, which might make them want to endure it.

I'm not sure if the i50 zerg-fest will be reflecting "normal" RvR or PvP, but yes, it's an option.

normal PvP for Daoc IS a zerg fest. the basis of DaOC PvP is RvR not 8vs8

Njor wrote:yes, DAoC shines in PvP, BG and 'big RvR', later beta-stages will be aimed at finding problems in RvR/BG's... don't let these doomsaysers deter you from playing it ...
it is BETA, most people playing at the moment are focussing on playing multiple classes to lvl 20ish and/or do quests to find problems and get them fixed, not gallavant around in BG's ... the misguided and premature whining of some players focussing solely on their own limited view of this game should not keep you or your friends from enjoying it when it goes live

cheers

You keep saying it's a BETA and most people are spending their time hunting bugs and so on. This is far from true, let me assure you. Most players are here to play the game.

You seem convinced BGs will be full of fighting and thrive when this thing goes live. With this current setting, I don't agree.

BG's are always thriving particularly have a few months where people can level their mains, farmers etc and have BG toons

No they aren't The BG;s were dead prior to this iLevel today. Absolutely dead. And the same will happen a month or two after launch unless something is done to stoke interest.

This seems like its gonna be one of those 'learn the hard way' sort of things though. 10 silver Necklaces and releasing back to bind points way out in Gna Faste area is too much for Thidranki and below level BG's and super annoying to Caledonia as well. Sure its 'accurate' to 1.65, so I guess theres some sort of imaginary medal for that; but it doesn't change that its going to make it super hard to introduce other people to this game.

Autoloot wasn't in 1.65 either, but its here because removing it would obviously bother a lot of people and its not that huge of a deal to leave it in. Let the res sickness keep people from /releasing and running back out immediately, but dont send them back to the bindstone and make them repay the entrance fee etc.

Trishin wrote:

carnalito wrote:

Seethoven wrote:Like I said anyone arguing in favour of this is obviously not going to the BGs.


I urge staff to take a look at this problem. There is no PVP until level 45-50 in the current set up, and it has only gotten worse. When new players (and old) see this it's very likely to turn them from the game rather than motivate them to grind more.

I have been planning to introduce this game to a couple of friends. Without any PvP to look forward too in a near future, it will be a hard sell.

Daoc shines in PvP, even in BG PvP....

I suggest you wait until we introduce instant 50, then you can show them the goal of the long grind, which might make them want to endure it.

Unless you don't do a server wipe before the i50 stage.

If you do, most of the templated/high RR players here will spend the first week or so farming and temping their characters yet again giving a grace period where folks like his friends can dabble in PvP on a much more level playing field. They'll be at a disadvantage just by inexperience but that is different.

If you don't do a server wipe, you'll just have the already temp'd RR4+ players farming a bunch of i50s in 85% statless gear and I'm not sure if that is really that useful for testing purposes, either.

Bah, No bind stone in BG's is retard really. I'm a 50 rvr person so won't be participating in BG's that often, however this is the wrong move. This only keeps players longer then they should be in the BG's. Let them cap and be done but don't let them waste any more time then needed... It's not like they can keep getting rps once they reach max RR and stay there so Whats the point? The faster players are done with BG's the soon they are, A.) doing 50 RvR, or B.) Lvling a new BG character and hopefully helping a new player who could support the 50 rvr!

Seksy wrote:The faster players are done with BG's the soon they are, A.) doing 50 RvR, or B.) Lvling a new BG character and hopefully helping a new player who could support the 50 rvr!

i agree with seksy.