i'm sincerely waiting on this change. in the meantime, I haven't watched game of thrones yet..

carnalito wrote:

quantic wrote:

Trishin wrote:As soon as players have their first 50 character and are able to fund a BG template etc, I am sure we will see more actions in the BGs. I think it is too soon to call for custom solutions.

For solo stealthers who pray on the occasional solo player who comes to the bg to check it out, yeah.

That player will release and find him/herself in some town in which he was bound, and go like "wtf, i cant be arsed to ride back, guess i go lvl or log"

Why would the level 50 players make BG toons if the BG's are empty?

No bind point will lead of dead BG's mark my words.

Come correct with a group capable of keeping you alive then.

So the answer to not being killed by a solo stealther is to bring a group?

The stealther was just an example. I have made a few solo kills in the BG myself, a few mind you, because the number of enemies have been few.

Those i killed did not return.


However, if they would have respawned at the TK they would have returned, im sure of it. The killing back and forth would spawn more people, and the seed of the BG action of the evening would be planted..............[/quote]

It would also make the fights totally pointless because people would just continuously stream back.

Also, the portal system didn't stop people from playing the battlegrounds in the past. Or RvR.

if you go into a BG (or big RvR for that matter) alone you will be killed often and in many ways, thats just how it is ... and respawning in the PK just encourages mindlessly running back onto the battlefield until you get lucky ... obviously stealthers will love that continous stream of solo players

cheers

carnalito wrote:
I'm not sure what you mean. Regardless if the player is experienced or not, getting killed when running around solo after 10 minutes of no action for the first time only to find you NOT in the TK will put most players off.

Player who are aware of this, will probably not be running around in BG's solo, at all.

So, the only way to really enjoy the BG's with this setup is to run around in a pre-made FG (because you wont find players to group with in the BG..), and after roaming for 10 minutes with nothing to kill, that FG will probably take the CK. That might trigger a responce from the enemy realm, and it might not. Probably the latter.

I my experience, BG action grows from a seed. In this case, the soloers. But they wont be there.


I for one am fine with the strict 1.65 ruleset, but i dont consider this a ruleset

What I was trying to say is people that are experienced with the game know that if they go run out to a BG alone on their level 24 caster that they are likely to get a knife in their throat from a stealther so if they do it anyway and it happens, they probably aren't gonna be too upset about it. If they choose not to go back, it's because they ran around for 15 minutes and didn't see anybody, not because they got ganked by an assassin.

You are making a mistake by thinking that what is going on in beta at this very moment in time is what will happen when this thing goes live. It probably will for awhile until people get a character up to 50 and get established for rvr, farming etc. At some point though, they are going to make alts and 10 silver for a necklace and the time spent waiting to port won't seem like such a big deal to them and they will start going to the BGs to get some of the early RAs to help with leveling.

They aren't doing it now because most people are still trying to get that first character to 50. This may come as a surprise to you but there is almost nobody doing rvr in the frontiers either. Those keep take messages you see are largely players taking uncontested keeps. Spend some time in your frontier and you will see there is very little kill spam. Where most of the rvr is taking place is in DF when it changes hands.

They aren't doing it now because most people are still trying to get that first character to 50. This may come as a surprise to you but there is almost nobody doing rvr in the frontiers either. Those keep take messages you see are largely players taking uncontested keeps. Spend some time in your frontier and you will see there is very little kill spam. Where most of the rvr is taking place is in DF when it changes hands.

If you don't go through the BGs with the ability to test your character then when you hit 50 going to RvR sounds even less enticing.

Seethoven wrote:

They aren't doing it now because most people are still trying to get that first character to 50. This may come as a surprise to you but there is almost nobody doing rvr in the frontiers either. Those keep take messages you see are largely players taking uncontested keeps. Spend some time in your frontier and you will see there is very little kill spam. Where most of the rvr is taking place is in DF when it changes hands.

If you don't go through the BGs with the ability to test your character then when you hit 50 going to RvR sounds even less enticing.

Sure, whatever. You're talking to a guy that was playing DAoC when there were no battlegrounds so I know what you're saying is bunk. I'm done arguing about this though because it's pretty damn pointless.

Times change, my friend, and what people are willing to put up with for some RVR has too.


If I could change anything about this game, anything at all, it would be that people should return to the BGs upon death, instead of going back and waiting for a port time, and give Hib a port to emain.

Seethoven wrote:Times change, my friend, and what people are willing to put up with for some RVR has too.


If I could change anything about this game, anything at all, it would be that people should return to the BGs upon death, instead of going back and waiting for a port time, and give Hib a port to emain.

yes, times change, if people would like easy streamline mode they would be playing on live
its seems people flock back to games which give you a bit of a challenge, 4 times the number of players on Uthgard beta than all other freeshards combined ... thats a clear message
BG's on live mutated to some kind of WoW arena mode: mindless respawning; short fights; no attempt to plan or scout the battlefield ... so I think its good to have porting to encourage a more considered approach to RvR in BG's

cheers

You mistake challenge for punish

Njor, may I ask how often you've been to the BGs since Uthgard relaunch?

Njor wrote:

Seethoven wrote:Times change, my friend, and what people are willing to put up with for some RVR has too.


If I could change anything about this game, anything at all, it would be that people should return to the BGs upon death, instead of going back and waiting for a port time, and give Hib a port to emain.

yes, times change, if people would like easy streamline mode they would be playing on live
its seems people flock back to games which give you a bit of a challenge, 4 times the number of players on Uthgard beta than all other freeshards combined ... thats a clear message
BG's on live mutated to some kind of WoW arena mode: mindless respawning; short fights; no attempt to plan or scout the battlefield ... so I think its good to have porting to encourage a more considered approach to RvR in BG's

cheers

1) Your first point is false; you can dislike live, and like streamline. They aren't mutually exclusive.

2) If you want to talk about which games people flock to, the number one is WoW, and it's streamlined like hell. More people come back to WoW each month (and also quit, anyway) than played DAoC at any point.

3) As far as your comment regarding planning and scouting the battlefield--you're again wrong. In no situation does the time required to port affect the majority of user's habits in regards to scouting and/or planning.
The battlegrounds are small arenas with one formal objective. Scouting and planning were not a large part of the gameplay here, because there are few routes and it's easy to identify the enemy presence (surprise! it was intended that way!)
In lvl 50 RvR, there is lots of scouting and planning, with or without quick port, simply because dying is still the worst outcome possible.

4) Uthgard's popularity has probably more to do with other factors, such as that it's run to a semi-professional quality. The other server, that shall not be named, also had a strong running yet was killed mostly by its inability to conquer server lag. It had many features that Uthgard wouldn't even consider! So clearly numbers aren't a fool-proof indicator of what works.

The truth is, many gamers want something close to Uthgard, but not quite. And for some, there will never be a perfect DAoC server because they're chasing reminiscences that can never be repeated.

in fact, anyone here arguing in favor of the BGs being left the way they are.

How often do you actually go to the BGs?

No one go to bgs, because cap rris 1l9. And you can get this rr in frontiers, killing 10 players.

vangonaj wrote:No one go to bgs, because cap rris 1l9. And you can get this rr in frontiers, killing 10 players.

Eh, BGs are not abour arpees, it's for teh fun?!

Signus wrote:It would also make the fights totally pointless because people would just continuously stream back.

Also, the portal system didn't stop people from playing the battlegrounds in the past. Or RvR.

The servers back in the days had a higher population than Uthgard has. Some of the action in BG's might be "pointless", sure. It's the freaking BGs, but they can be quite fun and chaotic, and this is waaay better than the current state, which is nothing.

Seethoven wrote:If I could change anything about this game, anything at all, it would be that people should return to the BGs upon death, instead of going back and waiting for a port time, and give Hib a port to emain.

I agree.

Njor wrote:BG's on live mutated to some kind of WoW arena mode: mindless respawning; short fights; no attempt to plan or scout the battlefield ... so I think its good to have porting to encourage a more considered approach to RvR in BG's
cheers

Scout the battlefields? WTF its the BGs. Supposed to be all about casual RvR when you cannot get into your l33t gankgroup roaming emain.

Like I said anyone arguing in favour of this is obviously not going to the BGs.


I urge staff to take a look at this problem. There is no PVP until level 45-50 in the current set up, and it has only gotten worse. When new players (and old) see this it's very likely to turn them from the game rather than motivate them to grind more.