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Nezix
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 by Nezix » May 03, 2016 00:21
Just remember VP is 15m cooldown, not 30.
Nezix - 50 Minstrel <The Band>
Merlin: Arthur, what is best in life?
Arthur: To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their Lurikeens.
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Ehlo
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by Ehlo » May 03, 2016 05:48
Ensley03 wrote:VP is a troll RA for people who do nothing but zerg surf and keep defense, which is perfectly fine, but would never matter in an actual 8v8 fight. Wizard in 1.65 is quite arguably the worst RvR class in the entire game. Earth Wiz IS the worst line, Ice Wiz is only for PvE, and the spec fire DD does not debuff, and even the bolts have a worse cast time. And for what? A bolt with 22 delve better than an Eld, 14 better than a RM? I used to love when people tried to make an argument for the bolt delve. A Fire Wiz is literally a RM with a 14 delve better bolt and a damage add at the cost of nearsight, pbt, speed, resist debuffs, and str/dex debuffs, and the funny part is even the RC RM is not very good for grouping. 
qft
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Wyndhm
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by Wyndhm » May 03, 2016 19:20
I think 8v8 groups could find Wizard quite viable if you get two and both are fire spec. What about this class set-up? I guess it's odd to have two damage debuffers of different kinds but for a kiting alb group it might work. Lotta CC, pets and damage.
Minstrel
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Sorc - Mind
Sorc - 45 Body (for heat debuff and spec body nuke)
Cabalist - 46 Spirit (for body debuff and utility and giant pet)
Fire Wizard
Fire Wizard
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Nezix
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by Nezix » May 03, 2016 19:25
Wyndhm wrote:I think 8v8 groups could find Wizard quite viable if you get two and both are fire spec. What about this class set-up? I guess it's odd to have two damage debuffers of different kinds but for a kiting alb group it might work. Lotta CC, pets and damage.
Minstrel
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Sorc - Mind
Sorc - 45 Body (for heat debuff and spec body nuke)
Cabalist - 46 Spirit (for body debuff and utility and giant pet)
Fire Wizard
Fire Wizard
No tank for peeling or guarding  Also why wouldn't you just run 3x Body Sorcs then to add 2 more pets, a ton of utility, etc etc. Nezix - 50 Minstrel <The Band>
Merlin: Arthur, what is best in life?
Arthur: To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their Lurikeens.
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Juri
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by Juri » May 03, 2016 20:00
Nezix wrote:Wyndhm wrote:I think 8v8 groups could find Wizard quite viable if you get two and both are fire spec. What about this class set-up? I guess it's odd to have two damage debuffers of different kinds but for a kiting alb group it might work. Lotta CC, pets and damage.
Minstrel
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Sorc - 45 Body (for heat debuff and spec body nuke)
Cabalist - 46 Spirit (for body debuff and utility and giant pet)
Fire Wizard
Fire Wizard
No tank for peeling or guarding Also why wouldn't you just run 3x Body Sorcs then to add 2 more pets, a ton of utility, etc etc.
My thoughts exactly, at this point just run a cabalist body debuff assist train, much more efficient and a whole lot of utility. I liked the base idea of a heat debuff assist train on Alb tho  nice try!
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Wyndhm
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by Wyndhm » May 03, 2016 20:04
Nezix wrote:No tank for peeling or guarding Also why wouldn't you just run 3x Body Sorcs then to add 2 more pets, a ton of utility, etc etc.
Yeah lack of tank hurts but trying to think outside the box. Body sorcs are better for an ideal Alb group but if no one is debuffing for their spec nukes then it's not so special. I think this set up is viable if we're trying to find a reason to add Wizards. I'm also thinking 4 spec bolts will be nice and nasty against Hib caster groups. Bolt was fixed by this patch level right?
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hazelhimself
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by hazelhimself » May 03, 2016 20:27
Wyndhm wrote:I think 8v8 groups could find Wizard quite viable if you get two and both are fire spec. What about this class set-up? I guess it's odd to have two damage debuffers of different kinds but for a kiting alb group it might work. Lotta CC, pets and damage.
Minstrel
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Cleric
Sorc - Mind
Sorc - 45 Body (for heat debuff and spec body nuke)
Cabalist - 46 Spirit (for body debuff and utility and giant pet)
Fire Wizard
Fire Wizard
if you really insist on a firewiz grp: Cleric Cleric Bodysorc Mindsorc Pala/Arms Wiz Wiz Wiz/Mincer/Theu works the same way as every other standard debuff-grp..just with waaay less utility but more frontload with vp and boltspam. Last edited by hazelhimself on May 04, 2016 20:04, edited 1 time in total.
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olds
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by olds » May 04, 2016 14:26
So as an outsider reading this (someone who hasn't played at a high level since live) it sounds like:
Wizard = bad 8v8
Wizard = decent/good, zerg/keep
Wizard = Gimmick Group 8v8 if you stack 3x Wizard
Is that about the run of it?
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hazelhimself
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by hazelhimself » May 04, 2016 14:29
olds wrote:So as an outsider reading this (someone who hasn't played at a high level since live) it sounds like:
Wizard = bad 8v8
Wizard = decent/good, zerg/keep
Wizard = Gimmick Group 8v8 if you stack 3x Wizard
Is that about the run of it?
absolutely.
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Shinyuka
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by Shinyuka » May 04, 2016 18:25
olds wrote:So as an outsider reading this (someone who hasn't played at a high level since live) it sounds like:
Wizard = bad 8v8
Wizard = decent/good, zerg/keep
Wizard = Gimmick Group 8v8 if you stack 3x Wizard
Is that about the run of it?
very nice TL;DR 
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Gatlgard
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by Gatlgard » May 05, 2016 02:50
That's about the size of it, olds.
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