Just a note:
Solo farming yellows/oys with an assassin is quite fast!
You will evade quite a lot, giving you the best-growthrate style chain in the game (crit-strike after evade) which has also good defense bonus => more evades. Str/con debuff will lower mob absorb, dot does nice dmg since mobs don't run resists.

Same holds for ranger with some PF spec btw, pretty quick to farm solo (slower than VW though, that's granted). Rangers are also wanted in Dragon raids for their bow dmg.

Complement this by a pure support char like Bard or Heal/Hybrid warden for the "regular" group farming, and you are off just fine.

Ment/Ench might be somewhat faster in soloing, but Manareg will be slower than Uth 1.0 (no tinder etc.), and it also is less relaxing (2-3 resists -> run baby run).

thx for your reply, i know how to deal with stealthers pretty well, i always was my main chars since 2001 and i know i can easily solo yel/orange for solo farming and how to do it.

i was only talking about a good prior char to build my NS or INF well and for this it requires money.

in the best scenario i was looking for a good solo AND raiding prior char, this was the goal when i was talking about theurg/friar for alb or VW/warden/chanter for hib.

having a pure support char as a prior char can somehow be a problem coz you know how it is in daoc to build a solid grp when you are 100% depend on others like a druid is or a cleric. nothing happens and you could wait for hours sometimes.

friar and solo anytime, theurg can grp and solo anytime and theurg is in addition very well appreciated in raids.

i was wondering something similar for hib, this is why i thought about warden, even if i could be wrong about VW since it seems not appreciated in raids

oh and talking about VW expensive to be, this prior char will be 100% pve and i m not going to rrk up more than rrk 3 so i won t need tons of resist and expensive temp. btw i hear the critics about him not being wanted in raids.

in conclusion, atm i think i ll run a theurg prior if i go INF, i still need solid advices on a hib prior class if i decide going NS

Ok, I understand. My idea was just to level them simultaneously.

As for "jack of all trades" classes in Hib PvE, why not take a champion? Nobody will want you in RvR, but as a PvE tank its perfectly fine for raids (protect, and also guard if you spec shield), and with the str/con selfbuff etc. it will be fine in solo PvE, too.
Better than warden, not as quick as VW (the lifeleech of VW cuts downtimes considerably).

Personally for a pure PvE toon, i'd go animist, but since you don't like them, my second caster choice would be mentalist, maybe light/mana hybrid to give you yellow pom, dot, nuke, and lvl50 pet charm. Not sure if this works on lower levels, but should be fine at lvl50 for PvE.

Enchanter is maybe even better, but I just hate playing them so personally I would not pick one.

Leveling them both at once is a good point dude and intend to do that. Menty would be my choice if i go caster. If i go melee i think i ll go warden or vw.
Champ is ok but not as good for solo pve as a vw and not as grp friendly as a warden.

Cant decide between warden and vw. Maybe you guys could help me with pros and cons for pure pve char to make money (solo, grp farming and raids "chance to get grouped)

can anyone help with this now ?

Warden is definitely a better group character. Heals, rez, pbt, group damage add (lots of extra group dps here since lack of dmg add in hib), speed and semi-decent dps. Can also tank if need be. A little more wanted in raids, both pve and rvr. Can solo too, albeit a tad slower than VW.

Personally, I'd go Warden.

thx it is good point for warden from you.
anybody else ? i d like opinions on menty too

Mentalists are a good choice too, but they don't really have the solo option.

PoM, AE dot, heals, HoT, pet. But you can't have all those at once. You can get into focus pull groups much easier, but even warden can do that, albeit not as good as druid or ment.

Warden still wins out if you are going for strict PvE versatility.

Hey!

I will run for a enchanter for pve toon


Please could you tell me, for a stealther, there won't be remedy the free RA 5L in this 1.65 version on Uthgard , right?


Thx

boborg wrote:free RA 5L

not this in old RAs

Enchanter could be fun for pve Indeed. Pet pull focus, solo or small man exp grp. Maybe more fun in bg's aswell. Guess i will have to learn how to exp well with pet focus tactic lol

Hey !

I was checking the character builder here http: //play.nixian.eu/ and i discover these old RA


All of the 3 stealthers ( NS - SB - Inf ) won't have access to the same RA, right?? I noticed these difference are :


NS will have
-wild arcana ( up poison )
-viper ( strong up poisons )
-avoid pain ( pretty expensive but very efficiency )
-mastery of parrying

SB will have
-mastery of arms ( up attack speed )
-Hail of Blows ( 15 min timer up attack speed )
-shadow run ( up stealth speed movment )

Inf will have
-mastery of arms
-Vanish ( auto stealth )



Question :
Vanish, does it give the effects: dismarmed for 30 seconds, or does it allow you to attack immediatly ( and make a second PA) ???
It should have been difficult at the time of 1.65 live to fight against NS without the new RA : Remedy. I might be wrong, SB seem to be disavantaged.

boborg wrote:Vanish, does it give the effects: dismarmed for 30 seconds, or does it allow you to attack immediatly ( and make a second PA) ???
It should have been difficult at the time of 1.65 live to fight against NS without the new RA : Remedy. I might be wrong, SB seem to be disavantaged.

vanish only stealth you, doesn't purge effects like the new RAs vanish thing that can make that if a poison tics you are visible again, but doesn't disarm you thing that gives you the chance to insta PA again.

old RAs viper is an active RA with long cooldown that lasts 30 sec

Wild arcana does nothing to poison dot dmg

Ilerget wrote:vanish only stealth you, doesn't purge effects like the new RAs vanish thing that can make that if a poison tics you are visible again, but doesn't disarm you thing that gives you the chance to insta PA again.

old RAs viper is an active RA with long cooldown that lasts 30 sec

Thanks i didn't notice that, I was thinking old RAs Viper was passive RA. but 30 min timer makes a big difference.

About Wild Arcana, i nerver tried it, however i read several guides that mentioned it improves dot damages ( and also snare's efficiency , debuff strenght on the disease and the str/cons efficiency )


And i read on uthgard's guides that SB always hit with the left hands on every hits, so the old ra dualissts reflex and whirling dervish are useless for SB , right?